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Double Bass F. Simandl Tutor Book

I am slowly working my way through the F. Simandl book--Book 1--1964 edition. Excellent tutor.

On page 19--Exercise 4 is written in the Db scale. A serious jump for a beginner music reader from the previous C and G key exercises! Would that be a printing error for the Db exercise? Put on the wrong page? If not your thoughts on such 'a jump' in keys.
 
I am slowly working my way through the F. Simandl book--Book 1--1964 edition. Excellent tutor.

On page 19--Exercise 4 is written in the Db scale. A serious jump for a beginner music reader from the previous C and G key exercises! Would that be a printing error for the Db exercise? Put on the wrong page? If not your thoughts on such 'a jump' in keys.
The early part of Simandl is all about progressing up the fingerboard one position at a time. Since the exercises are mostly diatonic, that means ascending chromatically through the keys.

Seeing that many flats shouldn't be that much of a shock if you've spent time on the previous 4 or 5 exercises that introduce them.

Keep at it!
 
Not to derail, (but totally derailing) what's the deal with the 'dotted slur notation' introduced on pg. 16? Is this common practice? Will I ever see this notation again outside of Simandl?

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Mike J Dexter,

I ask my students to jump this (2 1/2) Position and come back later when more is understood about the the fingerboard, shifting technique and fingering possibilities by first using easier keys. Typically I would suggest the following order - Ist, 1/2, 2nd, 3rd, 5th (these cover C, F, Bflat, G and D/A majors and all the notes up to F on the G string). Working back through 3 1/2, 2 1/2 and 4th increases the number of sharps/flats in keys to 5 by which time there is a fingering under almost every note to wade through. While studying 3 1/2 Position I often introduce Saint-Saens' "The Elephant" to challenge both technique and musicianship, as well as knowledge of the fingerboard.

fu22ba55,

My interpretation is that Simandl wishes the tied over notes to be shortened a little in order to control the following faster, shorter bow strokes. There needs to be a real sense of physical balance to avoid misplaced accents that disturb the even flow of rythm and phrasing of the music. It will also help proportion out the length of strokes so that you don't "run out of bow." An example of misplaced accents after tied notes that I use is the British National Anthem "God save our gray-SHUSS Queen.........

I find the placing of these two pages of obvious bow-control exercises slightly bizarre and assume that the idea is to have right hand technique catch up a little with the left while consolidating note reading ability and knowledge of the fingerboard so far.
 
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On page 19--Exercise 4 is written in the Db scale
I started playing Simandl recently, after bothering TB giants with questions, and after some 10 year of learning from other (Czech) sources. Generally I can say that I'm able to play quite anything from book 1 with no issues. I had no problem with Db notation as I knew it from before. I was surprised it's there so early; what I want to say is that I play in bigband, where almost half of the songs are in Db. So, depending on what music you play, there really is a reason to know this scale.
From my learning, I found Ray Brown's bass method most useful so far; in this book there are short 4-8 bars excersises, each is written in all keys. I found it extremely helpful to familiarize with whole fingerboard as soon as possible. I believe it's a good think to know all fingerboard, even with intonation issues, and then focus on precise intonation in each Simandl position. I believe that when you know what's gonna be your next target, then you can judge on your own whether you are proficient enough with what you are doing now. But I'm no teacher and I'm no beginner - I can imagine this 'method' can be too demanding for a student, especially if there's no Db scale in the music you play with your band.

what's the deal with the 'dotted slur notation' introduced on pg. 16?
I think it's just a help for a student, the notes are written on the beat, the slurs are telling you 'you click with your leg but you are not starting a new note here'. The slur over the bar line however is very important in jazz, latin etc.
 
Db has all that shifting and is a pretty dull key on the bass. That means we probably not going to play in it on purpose. If a peer suggests it they will likely get a flat "no". Therefore: if we play in it is going to be important! Money or experience with a great musician will be at stake. Spend LOTS of time with that Db exercise. Use his fingerings, use others.

I am slowly working my way through the F. Simandl book--Book 1--1964 edition. Excellent tutor.

On page 19--Exercise 4 is written in the Db scale. A serious jump for a beginner music reader from the previous C and G key exercises! Would that be a printing error for the Db exercise? Put on the wrong page? If not your thoughts on such 'a jump' in keys.
 
Db has all that shifting and is a pretty dull key on the bass. That means we probably not going to play in it on purpose. If a peer suggests it they will likely get a flat "no". Therefore: if we play in it is going to be important! Money or experience with a great musician will be at stake. Spend LOTS of time with that Db exercise. Use his fingerings, use others.
And then there's always Body and Soul
 
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Not to derail, (but totally derailing) what's the deal with the 'dotted slur notation' introduced on pg. 16? Is this common practice? Will I ever see this notation again outside of Simandl?

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It took me a minute to be sure what was meant by the odd notation; haven't encountered it or thought about it since. BTW, my teacher (and her teacher) both say to read the "staccato" markings throughout Book 1 just as reminders that the notes are not slurred.
 
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