• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Favorite D.I. Box

What D.I. do you/would you like to have on your board?

  • MXR

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • SansAmp

    Votes: 139 45.0%
  • Sadowsky

    Votes: 39 12.6%
  • Aguilar

    Votes: 21 6.8%
  • Fodera

    Votes: 3 1.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 89 28.8%

  • Total voters
    309
I love the Sansamp and I use it on all of my recordings- from slap to fingerstyle jazz.

It's simple, and indestructible, and produces a neat slap sound (the 'presence' switch). I love the tube emulation.

Check out my songs that used the Sansamp Bass Driver DI at:

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/ufo14

I used the tube emulation on the metal remake of "the last time".

I used the presence switch for slapping on the song "Josh Pollack's Got The Funk", which is under the link "Solo Projects Where I play all the instruments" if you follow the web link above.

I used the EQ to get a good jazz sound on the song "Zarimar"

All of these songs and more (plus a video tour of my studio) are at the web link above.

keep thumping
UFO
 
for what it is worth....a few months ago I had a review of the Fishman Platinum Pro EQ Bass up here at TB (which I believe is still available via the "reviews" navigation).

I give the box a pretty thorough workout, and an honest review of what it does and how.

Fishman liked the rview so much it is posted on their website, too.

I have been working on a fairly comprehensive study/review/comparison of DIs for TB..some of the units I have reviewed:
Avalon U5
BBE 100
Radial (both versions,(JDI andJd4, but not the new one, yet)
Countryman 85
Fishman Pro EQ Platinum
L.R. Baggs
Retrospec Juice Box
Raven Labs APD1 and MDB1
ADL 100Gand 300G
Aguliar Tube DirectDB900
Aphex 1401 and 1402
Sans Amp (Bass Driver, Bass DI, XDI, and Acoustic DI)
ART Tube MP and Levelar (both can function as DIs)
Bellari Tube DI
Behringer Ultra DI
Whirlwind Director and IMP
BSS AR133 and AR416
Demeter VTDB
Horizon Active DI
Manley Tube Direct
Palmer PDI
Summit Td100
MXR M80
...now what is really sick is that for the exception of the Palmer,Demeter, Behringer, Horizon, Whirlwind,Sans Amp Bass Driver and Bass DI and MXR units I own all of these!!

I know this will start some nasty flames, but I have not really been all that impressed with Sans Amps (save for the Acoustic DI), yet...the other day I hooked one up in series with the Aphex 1402, and that was really quite interesting.
Overall, they don't rank too high in my book (but then again, I might be spoiled by the ADL,Summit and Retrospec boxes!)
Of less expensive DIS, the Fishman, Baggs,Countryman, and Raven Labs units all score big. In the next price range would be Avalon U5 and Radial JDI along with the Summit TD100, Demeter and Retrospec Juice Box. Tho' to be fair I have been lately using an Aguilar myself.

And..in that rarified mucho-expensive range ($800 and up) would sit the Manley and Anthony DeMaria Labs.

Max
 
Is the mid control really the only difference?
In straight A/B testing in my studio, the Acoustic DI was noticably smoother and quieter, which for me is a very high priorioty.

Also I tested out 6 different SansAmps; 3 Bass Drivers,1 old model Bass DI, and two Acoustic DIs.
The Acoustic DIs were well matched, yet the Bass Drivers each exhibited some striking irregularities. The BDDI's were also well...I don't want to say "noisy", but they certainly were not "quiet".
Add to this 2 of the BDDI and the Bass DI all had weak solder joints at the transformer, one of which actually broke after about six hours of use.

Max
 
I've owned SansAmp's in the past, both the Bass Driver DI and the Acoustic DI, very nice DI's.

But right now the only DI I own is the L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic DI mentioned above.
I really like the PADI a lot; it's a bargain in comparison to the SansAmps, and because it's great and a great value, it gets my vote, it sounds great on anything you put through it.

Thanks to you folks here I'm now also very interested in that Fishman Platinum Bass DI, think I'll pick one up soon.

Thanks!

Joe Beck :)
 
i just recently got the Sadowsky outboard preamp from a fellow TBer, and this thing ROCKS!

i play an arrangement of modified basses(most with EMG pickups, and one fretless with passive Dimarzios), and the Sad just beefs up the tone completely. i've only had it for a day, so i'm still getting used to it, but my impression so far is:

well built
small
easy to operate
sounds like butter(rounds off the tone, warmer, adds a hint of BOOM)
 
Originally posted by SMASH
Funny thing. I also today got the outboard Sad DI from another TBer. After a bunch of A/B-ing, I'm underwhelmed.

On a bass that already puts out a low tone, it sounds fantastic. On a bass that is thin sounding and needs the help the most, perhaps the Sad is voiced too low and thereby misses any signal that doesn't come in low enough (?), as even with the bass cranked it doesn't do much on the lows. Instead it boosts the low mids, leaving a mid-y yet scooped sound. Yet the same basses sound very full with the Ashdown EQ applied, MXR, or SansAmp.

Much of this I agree with. But the Sadowsky does not put anything new into the sound, it just enhances what is already there. If your bass sounds weak without a Sadowsky, it will continue to sound weak with one.


Great construction. The mute is a very nice touch. I don't care much for all the ins/out being at the top of the box, and it's a fair bit more sensitive (noisy) than other boxes to AC power if from a bad source.

Yup, though I have had no AC probs.


On my main bass though, it does sound clearly the best of those I've tried. Quite buttery.

Ah! Yes....that's what it's for!


And even on weaker basses with the help of the amp's EQ it sounds the best. But if the amp is flat or there's no extra EQ help (like when going straight to the board), I'm surprised to find it doesn't do much for weak basses ... at least not the ones I tried.

Haven't tried it live though - that's where the truth is told.

I have a Sadowsky DI, which I occasionally think of selling as I also have the belt hang preamp, which I use exclusively (I haven't actually sold it, though). I normally run into a SABDDI (sansamp), and the belt hang Sadowsky feels more comfortable. Sometimes I run into a Fishman dual parametric preamp/DI, which is an exceptional thing. Depends on which bass I use.

Of these three DIs, only the SABDDI actually adds oomph to the sound.

Another reason I don't sell my Sadowsky DI is that it is one of the original stompbox ones, before Roger got the user feedback and added larger knobs, and an on/off LED and so on. I have this feeling that the thing might become a rarity and sell for millions of dollars some day ( :D ).

When I started using a Sadowsky live, that's when I realised what the fuss was really about. I found I was running the bass at a lower volume but hearing it better.....
 
So all these DI's are being fed into there amps?? OR just to the board??

Ive always used my Eden's out, to send to the board. Am I missing out on something here???

Ive thought about getting a L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic. Just because of the things Ive read in reviews. But I dont know what this will do to improve my tone.

EXPLAIN???:confused:
 
Most of the DIs mentioned here feature some sort of tone sculpting, be that eq, amp emulation or sonic enhancement, and they all feature parallel outputs, both balanced (to send to a mixing desk) and unbalanced (which can go to your amp, thusly sending whatever sonic ecoutrements the device holds onto the preamp section of your amplifier).

Some DIs, such as the Countryman Type 85, although are active, feature no sonic "add ons" and simply change the high impedence output of your bass to a low impedence signal which can be managed by mixing boards. Others, like the ADL and Retrospec Juice Box are tube based, and carry the sonic "signatures" of the tube stage(s), but offer no other sound sculpting options.

Most amps do now feature balanced outputs, or DI outs. So what is the big deal? Amp makers usually add these on as a sort of "bells and whistles" gimmick to their amps. Consider: amps makers design amps not around what features musicians want and/or need, but rather around price points and profitability. A high quality DI(and here I am speaking of the coverted "studio quality" units) can cost from $400 to several thousand dollars (my ADL DI runs about $1700, the Avalon U5 is $595...I believe Manley makes a tube DI which runs around $5000.00).

Think about it, can an amp maker really aford to jack up the price pont of their amp that much to add a high quality DI to it's featurtes? The answer is no. This is why dedicated DIs are highly specialized and sought out. Most DIs which are on amps, like compressors on amps, are inferior designs with poor sound quality. Many of the "budget" DIS also use lower quality transformers or op amps in their design. Ceratinly, either of these are efficient enough for running a to a PA in a club where noise and signal integrity are not relevant factors, but in the studio running a DI from the back of one's amp is most certainly NOT the way to go.

Some DIs, like the SansAmp, impart their sonic signature on the signal in a rather obvious way, while others are more "transparent" (and usually much more expensive). Neither is "right" or "better" as many players get wonderful results thru SansAmps AND units such as the Evil Twin or Avalon U5. I know players who get great results using the same DI you have on your Eden amp, tho I personally have never felt that the Eden DI is either quiet nor particularly "studio-quality". The point is to find what works for you. If you gig a lot, find a DI which is sturdy and reliable (which is why the Countryman is an "industry standard"), and deliers the same sound night anfter night. If you have a home studio, you might want to lookl into some a bit more specialized.

I do a lot of studio work, and usually I rely on what the studio has, and what the engineer wants, for my bass tracks. Engineers, at least GOOD engineers, make their livlihood knowing about things such as this, and they have spent the time to find what works for them in their situation (as I have suggested for you to do in yours). Certainly I take my Avalon with me (tho most studos have these now), but if the engineer wants to run my signal thru some ancient RCA broadcast limiter as my DI, who am I to argue?
(btw, those ancient RCA broadcast limiters DO sound great with bass...but you could buy a new car for what they cost!!)

I have a Baggs ParaAcoustic DI and like it very much, I also have the Fishman Platinum Bass and like it very much also...and there are about 25 other DIs I own, and like and use for different purposes.....but before you go and drop your money on one, you should try it out and see if it is really what you might need. While you are at it, try a few different DIs by running into a "flat" PA or recording setup; then thru your amp. Find what is right for you. If you are looking for something to enhance your tone, perhaps a DI is not the ticket...maybe an EQ or Mic pre is....better yet, consider the source; if your bass sound needs enhancement, perhaps the tone off your bass is not all it could be. New PUs? New onboard electronics? New bass?

There are always those options to look at.

Hope that helps....
Max
 
Resurrecting this cool post...


So, Max -- you never said when these reviews are coming on line? I'd love to hear your thoughts!

I'm particularly interested in the Summit TD100 vs. the Avalon. It looks smaller and lighter -- something I could take with me everywhere, use with headphones, etc. Any thoughts on this unit? I haven't been able to find much about it anywhere.
 
I am right now compiling all of that and should have it to TB in the coming weeks........
...it's sometimes difficult juggling being a journo and a working musician!

The Summit and Avalon units are quite different beasts, each with their own pros and cons. The Avalon is probably the "purest" sounding DI I have tried (with the JDI right up there too!). The only drawback to the Avalon is that it really delivers what your bass, and your technique, sound like...and any flaws therein are certainly brought to the spotlight.

The Summit units (DI, preamp, Tube compresor) are, like all Summit stuff, very high quality. Very clean, easy to use and, most of all QUIET.

As with all units, the topology is different, and thusly the output is too. I believe the larger GC stroes carry summit lines...you might be able to try one there.

Stay tuned...the reviews will be posted here at TB!

Max
 
without getting too "pitchy"...

our new boxes from BBE, the Jensen-Equipped DI-1000 and active DI-100X, were designed primarily with bass players in mind.

the DI-1000 is based on the great, passive, Record Plant DI's. really transparent, very sweet sounding.

please give them a listen if you have the opp.

good luck!
 
I have been quite interested in checking out the new BBE DIs. The Jensen Transformer makes it especially worthy. And reports I have heard from colleagues is they are remarkable little units!

I recently tried the new Aphex models, too. I found the Bass Xciter to be a bit aggressive with its' "exciter" quality, which would probably suit players of aggressive music styles fine. The Acoustic Xciter, though, has a very pleasnt and sweet tone with basses, and sounds more comparable to their rack mount versions of the eciter/big bottom...yet neither seem very "transparent" or natural (which is somethig I have found BBE units excel at); both units fuction fine as DIs, but neither exhibit the finer qualities of the "higher end" DIs I usually use.......
....yet, for what it is worth, I also have a BBE 362 in my rack and did several A/B comparisons. I found the BBE process to be much more consistent, balanced and, yes, "musical" than the the Aphex process. This is all quite subjective, of course, but for my work I tend to prefer the BBE process. I use the 362 mostly to add a little sparkle to my own amp/monitor set-up.

For recording, I have the BBE plug-in, which is a great piece o' gear! Fantastic results for digital recording.

Of course, all of this REALLY makes me wanna check out those new BBE DIs (just another thing to try to squeeze into the ol' budget).

Max
 
I recently got to try out a JDV at a studio session, albeit it was a brief test.

Like all the Radial stuff it is excellent in construction and sound. The multiple ins and outs make it a worthy item for a studio player or a player using multiple basses. Dual aux outs are great for driving fx out extra monitor sends in a session...and I especailly liked the "drag" control. By altering the input impedence load some rather interesting tonal changes occur. At $450 it is an investment, and pricey for a DI (similar to the Avalon). But it does have a remarkably transparent sound........ yet, for half that price the JDI has the same transparent quality, without the added features.

Max
 
Different animals altogether....

The JDV is a pristine, clean and hugely flexible DI. The "drag" feature gives you some tone shaping, but not at all lie the voicing filters on the Avalon, which is more EQ based.

The Avalon works not only as a DI, but also a stand alone Preamp, which the JDV cannot.
The Avalon has more of a high-fi character, although I must say it is very transparent. Wahat you and your bass really sound like is what comes out....warts and all!
The avalon also can function as a private practice or headphone amp, something the JDV also cannot.
Both might be considered "high-end" in terms of sound, and they certainly are. Price wise they are in the middle area (go shop ADL or something and see the price on reall high end DIs).
The JDV I might consider to a sort of specialty DI. If you do a lot of sessions/studio work it will pay for itself.

The Avalon is a great unit, too...and can function in "the trenches", though it is a bit bulky and cumbersome.

The JDI is probably the call for a first-class stand alone DI..tho I might think twice on using it on stage.....

Now, those new BBE boxes most likely fall into the category of a great stand alone DI, perfect for both studio and stage.....
....now all I have to do is find one to try out!!

Max