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fdecks HPF, Part II

Yeah but it's only a 12 db kick. At the volume these guys were playing would not have mattered. I was probably the only one in the room thinking the bass was boomy.

Reminds me to pull my Rane out of the 8U rack sitting in the garage.
 
Added the HPF-Pre Series 3 last night. Agree it's noise free and simply has no discernible effect on tone above the 35hz, unless a higher frequency is dialed. Tried it in the loop, last and first in my chain. Helped my sound most and quite a bit when first:

Bass>HPF-Pre 3>Cali76 (comp)>TAFM (fuzz)>SubT (oct/synth)>Oxide (fuzz)>XeroD (filter)>Li'l Black Box (EQ/boost)>Mini (OD)>Polytope (chorus/detune)>Nimbus ('verb)>El Capistan (delay)>Ditto (looper)>Empress Buffer>Amp

*Turbo Tuner off Tuner Out from Buffer; EHX Headphone Amp off Right Out from El Cap)

Actually found it made the improvements from my comp more noticeable; bigger difference (improvement) noticed when switching on my comp, even though (or because) the comp isn't handling as much. Also, does a great job in front of my octave and envelope effects, taming otherwise unpredictable doom from my SubT and Xerograph. Now I can safely use the Xerograph on its 4-pole setting, which was very risky before the HPF.

(Board and HPF hiding under Ditto)
Board w HPF-Pre 3.jpg
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I've been wondering about using the hpf before or after effects like octavers (just got a Micro Pog) and envelope filters. With the octaver, at least, it seems that the effect is more clear with the filter first, but it seems that your speaker would be better protected with it last.

Visited my guitarist brother and we briefly tried the Pog with his distortion and delays through his Fender amp, with and without the hpf (of which he was skeptical). He dug the Pog, but liked it even better with the hpf dialed up a bit - unmuddied the sound significantly. We ran it in front. He liked the ability to dial it in, too, I think. We were running a high level of octave down and some octave up, in addition to the direct signal.
 
I've been wondering about using the hpf before or after effects like octavers (just got a Micro Pog) and envelope filters. With the octaver, at least, it seems that the effect is more clear with the filter first, but it seems that your speaker would be better protected with it last.

Visited my guitarist brother and we briefly tried the Pog with his distortion and delays through his Fender amp, with and without the hpf (of which he was skeptical). He dug the Pog, but liked it even better with the hpf dialed up a bit - unmuddied the sound significantly. We ran it in front. He liked the ability to dial it in, too, I think. We were running a high level of octave down and some octave up, in addition to the direct signal.

What I find is I don't need it as much when practicing but in rehearsal or gig is where I fine tune since every room is different. I keep it after effects before the amp
 
Help me out here Fdeck people...

I have a Genz Shuttlemax 9.2 & Streamliner 900. With either of these amps I dont notice a ton of uncontrolled low end when I gig... & my woofers in both my GK NEO 412 or 115s dont move much with these amps. Now if I use my GK MB800... theres a lot of woofer pistoning \ bass I can feel but not hear.

Now... I assume its because I have decent built in HPF with my Genz amps... maybe also my cabs have the lowest freq of 45hz for the 115 & 55hz for the 412.

Heres my 2 questions...

1) If I dont have a problem, is it silly to look for a Fdeck solution? I can see why I would want one of these with my MB800... but I dont have that "pistoning" boomy low end problem with the Genz.

AND

2) Why "upgrade" to fearfuls, fearless or any deeper rated cab than the GK NEOs when you're just going to HPF the deeper lows anyway?
 
Help me out here Fdeck people...

I have a Genz Shuttlemax 9.2 & Streamliner 900. With either of these amps I dont notice a ton of uncontrolled low end when I gig... & my woofers in both my GK NEO 412 or 115s dont move much with these amps. Now if I use my GK MB800... theres a lot of woofer pistoning \ bass I can feel but not hear.

Now... I assume its because I have decent built in HPF with my Genz amps... maybe also my cabs have the lowest freq of 45hz for the 115 & 55hz for the 412.

Heres my 2 questions...

1) If I dont have a problem, is it silly to look for a Fdeck solution? I can see why I would want one of these with my MB800... but I dont have that "pistoning" boomy low end problem with the Genz.

AND

2) Why "upgrade" to fearfuls, fearless or any deeper rated cab than the GK NEOs when you're just going to HPF the deeper lows anyway?
For 1 - It can get you more volume if that's a concern. Since your amp isn't trying to produce lows that it can't handle, your cabs will sound a bit cleaner and you can push them harder without farting out or other negative effects.

For 2 - That's exactly what I think, too. My GKs get lower than most, and as I don't want/can't hear those lows, I just get rid of them for more headroom (ala problem 1!).
 
1) Yeah, I think it's probably unnecessary. Especially given the fact that your Genz amps have a lot of baked-in hpf. (I'm probably in the minority in this thread, but in my opinion if you aren't having a problem, don't look for a solution.).;-)

2) Great point! Although those cab designs arent just about going lower.
 
Help me out here Fdeck people...

Heres my 2 questions...

1) If I dont have a problem, is it silly to look for a Fdeck solution? I can see why I would want one of these with my MB800... but I dont have that "pistoning" boomy low end problem with the Genz.

AND

2) Why "upgrade" to fearfuls, fearless or any deeper rated cab than the GK NEOs when you're just going to HPF the deeper lows anyway?

1) Many amps or preamps have built in filtering already. An HPF3 may duplicate in some way what you already have, but could give your more flexibility and control of what's going on down there. That's your call as to if you're finding that your cabs are creating trouble in the room and/or are experiencing more than necessary for what you're actually hearing.

2) The fEARful is really designed to be flat down into the 40hz range. The fdeck set at its rock bottom is at 35hz. Many cabs will tell you the useable low frequency is in the 40's but it rarely is, unless you count -10db or even more attenuation to be terribly useable, and/or in comparison to the low-mid hump most have baked in. So, for those of use who DO like deep lows, we can get them...but as with any new 'palate' for an artist to work with, its nice to have some control over that range, so you can paint it however you want. I even have the optional port shelf extension which gives me some extra sensitivity in the deep lows at the expense of some above that.

3) Before I switched to the Monique preamp it wasn't a problem. The Kern I used before can have the bass controls pushed but never get the level of speaker excursion or subsonics in the room. Previous to that, any of the standard 'heads' or micros I've used don't produce deep deep content by design. Jule made a design decision that says 'more is more' meaning rather than filter, the output on his unit reaches as low as the signal that feeds it, then the user and/or engineer can figure out what the do and don't want to hear with it. Its not a problem for most people, but I boost lows at my bass and at the Monique before hitting my power amp...and I can now fine tune the amount of 'deep reach' that boost has. Again, if you've got a standard production cab it ain't making those sounds although you'll be reaching mechanical limits of the speakers well before you get to the kind of volume I use on stage.
 
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If you have the Demeter VTBPM800D, or the Orange TB, the FDeck HPF3 is very useful, even with my fEARful 15/6.
I am not into pedals for effects, but I have a couple for utility purposes, and they sit atop my head. The volume knob on the HPF3 is really handy as a "volume off knob" so I don't have to disturb my heads settings.
 
1) Many amps or preamps have built in filtering already. An HPF3 may duplicate in some way what you already have, but could give your more flexibility and control of what's going on down there. That's your call as to if you're finding that your cabs are creating trouble in the room and/or are experiencing more than necessary for what you're actually hearing.

2) The fEARful is really designed to be flat down into the 40hz range. The fdeck set at its rock bottom is at 35hz. Many cabs will tell you the useable low frequency is in the 40's but it rarely is, unless you count -10db or even more attenuation to be terribly useable, and/or in comparison to the low-mid hump most have baked in. So, for those of use who DO like deep lows, we can get them...but as with any new 'palate' for an artist to work with, its nice to have some control over that range, so you can paint it however you want. I even have the optional port shelf extension which gives me some extra sensitivity in the deep lows at the expense of some above that.

3) Before I switched to the Monique preamp it wasn't a problem. The Kern I used before can have the bass controls pushed but never get the level of speaker excursion or subsonics in the room. Previous to that, any of the standard 'heads' or micros I've used don't produce deep deep content by design. Jule made a design decision that says 'more is more' meaning rather than filter, the output on his unit reaches as low as the signal that feeds it, then the user and/or engineer can figure out what the do and don't want to hear with it. Its not a problem for most people, but I boost lows at my bass and at the Monique before hitting my power amp...and I can now fine tune the amount of 'deep reach' that boost has. Again, if you've got a standard production cab it ain't making those sounds although you'll be reaching mechanical limits of the speakers well before you get to the kind of volume I use on stage.

Great post...
I'm just struggling with the logic of buying new amps that can go lower, new cabs that can go lower & buying a Fdeck to then curb it.

Yeah my cabs & amps dont get the really lows & sometimes it would be nice but even now I rarely ever crank my lows and say I NEED more. I guess I'm admitting\realizing my GAS for fearfuls\fearless is dying
 
Great post...
I'm just struggling with the logic of buying new amps that can go lower, new cabs that can go lower & buying a Fdeck to then curb it.

Subsonics can creep into the amps designed audible spectrum, wasting cone movement and amp power. I was joking when stated that everyone needed one, but I am glad I bought it. In addition to its designed objectives, I use it as a finely tuneable bass cut, it's a shaper slope than any amps included bass shelving tone knob. I had been running my 15/6 with one port blocked, but no longer.
 
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