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fEARFUL question

Position on fEARFUL

  • fEARFUL Lover

    Votes: 18 56.3%

  • fEARFUL Hater

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Need more info before deciding

    Votes: 7 21.9%

  • What's fEARFUL?

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • Total voters
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Splore

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#1
Why is it that when mentioning fEARFUL cabs, mixing woofer size is the standard, and completely acceptable.

HOWEVER

The mere mention of mixing driver sizes with ANY other brand is completely shot down in a hail of conditioned responses about canceling out frequencies at certain points.
 
#2
The different sized speakers (the 6" mid driver and 15" or 12" woofer) are crossed over so they don't interact. Also, the 15 and 12 versions are tuned almost identically, which minimizes any issues.
 
#5
+1 it's about the design, fEARful's are 2 or 3 way cabs with built-in crossovers, most ALL commercially available bass cabs are "full range" cabs, some with a crossover for the tweeter, most not even that. The poll is confusing.
 
#6
The fEarful concept is about mixing a dedicated LF driver, and a mid frequency driver, and some times a HF driver, with a dedicated crossover, in a specifically tuned box. There are a number of reasons why mixing different full range cabinets is bad. Mostly prevalent in my mind is that the actual power handling of those cabs is not defined. You may be risking one cab blowing while the other keeps on pumping and you may not even hear the cab while it is failing. Another major factor is the fEarful cabs are designed to work together. A 15/6 and 15sub are tuned and balanced to work together. The voicing of all the fEarful cabs is very close, so while you may have power handling differences you dont have cabs producing different sounds at the same time.

Bi-amping does work, it just requires a lot more equipment, and understanding of gear to make it work better than running identical full range cabs.

Splore said:
Why is it that when mentioning fEARFUL cabs, mixing woofer size is the standard, and completely acceptable.

HOWEVER

The mere mention of mixing driver sizes with ANY other brand is completely shot down in a hail of conditioned responses about canceling out frequencies at certain points.
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#8
It's all about the design and engineering involved.

From Barefaced Bass: Barefaced Bass - Midget
But being Barefaced we have a far more cunning plan: the Midget can be stacked on the Compact to give an awesomely loud, clear, fat and punchy rig. Normally this wouldn't work terribly well but the driver in the Midget has a near identical motor to the driver in the Compact whilst the enclosures have been carefully designed to have well matched power handling and phase response.
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This is a similar reason as to why you can use a 12/6 and a 15/6 together.
 
#11
Splore said:
The poll is just a way to get perspective on who is addressing the question.

the 4 choices seem pretty self explanatory to me..
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I assume your question has been answered. The idea of crossing over multiple driver sizes in a single cab is not new, nor is it unique to the fEARful builds. The Acme cabs, the original EA VL cabs, the Accugroove cabs, the Genz Uber1288 and a variety of LDS models with various mid driver/woofer designs all use this design, along with many higher end PA cabinets use different drivers to handle different frequency ranges, and use relatively complex crossovers to make sure the 'right' frequencies are being reproduced by the various drivers and not interfering with each other in any way.

This is quite a bit different than kind of randomly combining, for example, a 115 cab with a 210 cab. It can work fine, or it can be a mess, depending on the drivers and cabinet tuning, etc., etc.
 
#12
It's funny when people attempt to slander someone else's hard work, and just end up exposing their own igorance about the subject.

Stupid laws of physics, and people understanding them and then relaying that knowledge to others...
 
#14
I would say that it is time for you to read the mega threads on fearful design I believe it is on part 14, I could be wrong. I own a nearful TB153 and I can't even look at my 4x10 cab anymore. I am gearing up to build my first true fearful before this year is out.
 
#15
Splore said:
Why is it that when mentioning fEARFUL cabs, mixing woofer size is the standard, and completely acceptable.

HOWEVER

The mere mention of mixing driver sizes with ANY other brand is completely shot down in a hail of conditioned responses about canceling out frequencies at certain points.
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You do realize that the fEARfuls don't mix woofers of different sizes at all, right? :)
 
#17
rpsands said:
Except in the recommended 15/6 + 12/6 cube pairing :)
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Of the plans, there is not a single one designed with two different sized woofers.

Luckily, since Eminence was particularly on the ball, the 3012LF and the 3015LF are nearly identical minus the sensitivity due to size, so you CAN mix two fEARful cabs with these speakers without any negative impact.
 
#18
It's not the fact that there's a dedicated mid driver that's being crossed to alone, that makes this work well with the fEARfuls. There are a number of other factors as well... a prevalent factor is that the 3012LF and the 3015LF have phase characteristics that are closely matched to each other in any appropriate enclosure alignments.

The whole HATE discrimination implied in this poll is misplaced too. Posting about generally hating this gear or that gear - or its users - doesn't go well within an Ampeg or a Mesa Boogie or MarkBass thread, and it certainly doesn't enhance the civility within the forum that moderators are wishing to see become become the norm within the AMPS subforum.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/p...orcement-behaviour-standards-talkbass-856768/
 
#19
KJung said:
I assume your question has been answered. The idea of crossing over multiple driver sizes in a single cab is not new, nor is it unique to the fEARful builds. The Acme cabs, the original EA VL cabs, the Accugroove cabs, the Genz Uber1288 and a variety of LDS models with various mid driver/woofer designs all use this design, along with many higher end PA cabinets use different drivers to handle different frequency ranges, and use relatively complex crossovers to make sure the 'right' frequencies are being reproduced by the various drivers and not interfering with each other in any way.
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+1 for expanding on the answer , and expanding my knowledge

bassgod0dmw said:
It has nothing to do with the question you pose, and doesn't offer an option of "I don't really care either way..."
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I am asking for facts and opinions, if you don't care, you are not going to provide any of that.


Bass_Pounder said:
It also shows a lack of knowledge regarding the use of speakers and crossovers versus the mixing of full range cabs.
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That is because I am trying to gain knowledge, not be the cool guy that created the perfect mega thread. It is very telling that when someone asks a question that more Flames than answers arise.

Balog said:
It's funny when people attempt to slander someone else's hard work, and just end up exposing their own igorance about the subject.

Stupid laws of physics, and people understanding them and then relaying that knowledge to others...
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Since when is asking a Question slander? I am trying to know more since I am OBVIOUSLY interested in the cabs. Also not sure what my many physics classes would have told me about crossovers... Perhaps a psychology class would allow better understanding of other people.


Conditioned responses are the Enemy of Creativity.
 
#20
Splore said:
Why is it that when mentioning fEARFUL cabs, mixing woofer size is the standard, and completely acceptable.

HOWEVER

The mere mention of mixing driver sizes with ANY other brand is completely shot down in a hail of conditioned responses about canceling out frequencies at certain points.
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It might behoove you to simply lurk for awhile, using the "Search" function as necessary, in order to first inform yourself of information that has already been posted - and posted generously.

If, for whatever reason(s), you still have questions that have not already been answered to your satisfaction, you always have the option of starting a new thread in order to pose your questions.

Bonus: Any questions you may still have at that point are much more likely to be well-informed questions, thus able to elicit the most insightful, useful responses... :eyebrow:

MM
 
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