true enough, but even then, who says broad treble dispersion should have even been a goal?
if it's sharp and grindy when pointed at the player but darker and smoother to the rest of the band, that might be a good thing.
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if it's sharp and grindy when pointed at the player but darker and smoother to the rest of the band, that might be a good thing.
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Yeah, I've thought of that. The guys in my band were split the one time I tried a cab with really good off-axis performance. Ex-guitarist and keyboard loved it, drummer hated it because he could hear all the mids and highs, sax player said, "Uh...what?" But the ex-guitarist and keyboard player are really into 80's sounds with a lot of roundwound snap in the bass, and the drummer and I are more into fat sounds. Once I cut treble to a manageable level, it sounded more to our liking and sounded awesome in the venue, but I can say the same about my 810 and 215 rigs.
Remember that "sharp and grindy when pointed at the player but darker and smoother to the rest of the band" means different things if you're carrying the venue (as I often do with my cab).
It means "bass sounds seriously different depending on where you stand in the crowd." Which is annoying to those of us who those sounds above 1khz or so are important to.
It means "bass sounds seriously different depending on where you stand in the crowd." Which is annoying to those of us who those sounds above 1khz or so are important to.
You would swear most bass players never went to listen to other bands. I find this really weird, all the TB bassists seeking the perfect tone but never noticing the guy on the stage sounds blah unless you're right in front of his Xx10 rig.
Just to offer a different opinion...when I go to see a "standing" type show, I'll walk around trying to find a spot where the room modes are giving me a good full, punchy sound. If I get some good mids there, also...great. If the off-axis mids drop off where I am, I'm not too bothered...the guitar/s are usually running rampant in that range, anyway.
I go to a lot of local venues and rarely hear a bass rig I don't "like". My choice in music is "boogie" and "shuffle" and blues based rock and funk, all drums and bass dependent for success. All kinds of different players get it done just fine with their rig of choice without having to have the next best thing.
These are" better" IMHO just not necessary. I think a lot of people are responding in defensive mode kinda like when people say the Dingwall 37" B string is so much better than the standard 34" B. If you don't think you need a 35" or 37" B and your 34" B is great, then rock your bad self. I really thought my Stingray 5 had a strong B. It did! But I have a Dingwall combustion and previously an ABI. Does it matter when I am playing blues and SRV? Not much. I still wish I was Tommy Shannon playing with SRV or Carl Radle with duane and Eric.
Did they need one of these cabs? But would they dig em??
These are" better" IMHO just not necessary. I think a lot of people are responding in defensive mode kinda like when people say the Dingwall 37" B string is so much better than the standard 34" B. If you don't think you need a 35" or 37" B and your 34" B is great, then rock your bad self. I really thought my Stingray 5 had a strong B. It did! But I have a Dingwall combustion and previously an ABI. Does it matter when I am playing blues and SRV? Not much. I still wish I was Tommy Shannon playing with SRV or Carl Radle with duane and Eric.
Did they need one of these cabs? But would they dig em??
Most bands I go see use PA and I usually can't hear their rigs as well as the PA. But speaking for my gigs, I almost always go listen in the FOH when I occasionally have to use stage volume so I get the mix right, and I defy anyone to call the tones I get "blah."
I was quoting rpsands referring to the gigs where the rig carries the room. Many of these TB guys with big rigs will be carrying the room whether they know it or not. Their stage volume is enough to make the sound guy turn them off in the FOH. If he doesn't they sound like mud.
Just to offer a different opinion...when I go to see a "standing" type show, I'll walk around trying to find a spot where the room modes are giving me a good full, punchy sound. If I get some good mids there, also...great. If the off-axis mids drop off where I am, I'm not too bothered...the guitar/s are usually running rampant in that range, anyway.
If they'd cluster the subs you wouldn't have to do that.
Guitar 4x12s are the worst offenders ever at the beaming. Usually two 12" speakers 3-4" apart. Ugh.
Small clubs with a bass player using an 8x10 and a guitar player using a 4x12 make me want to punch something. You can't hear any detail unless you stand in line with their cabs, then it's 6db+ louder and you can't hear the vocals anymore or any drums except the mic'd pieces.
Small clubs with a bass player using an 8x10 and a guitar player using a 4x12 make me want to punch something. You can't hear any detail unless you stand in line with their cabs, then it's 6db+ louder and you can't hear the vocals anymore or any drums except the mic'd pieces.
Stacking 10" drivers side by side isn't the problem. Look at many brands of line arrays. Here's a QSC
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What QSC does, as well as other line array manufacturers is they don't run the 10" to a frequency where they get combing. They have mid drivers take over.
If they didn't do this, there would be many dead spots in the midrange at different places for the audience. Midrange is dang important for a lot of bassist these days. Add a midrange driver so you don't cancel out the mids for different people on stage or out front.
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What QSC does, as well as other line array manufacturers is they don't run the 10" to a frequency where they get combing. They have mid drivers take over.
If they didn't do this, there would be many dead spots in the midrange at different places for the audience. Midrange is dang important for a lot of bassist these days. Add a midrange driver so you don't cancel out the mids for different people on stage or out front.
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Choose an army of tens or one or two high performance sub drivers to do the lows then? The problem is the ten army costs almost twice what the sub drivers cost and weighs three or four times as much.
