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Fender 400PS + Spectrum trade...

chanson

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Dec 3, 2008
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I might be trading a Fender Roscoe Beck V for a Fender 400PS head with a Fender Spectrum (1x18/2x10) cab. I haven't heard the rig yet, but what do you guys think about this trade?

I have read mixed opinions on the 400PS. Would this be a fair trade, money and quality wise?
 
I would read through that whole site I linked to in my earlier post. Lots of info there. They talk like it's a "different animal" and the guy claims to have had to fix ones that were worked on by other techs who didn't have experience with them.

It's 3-145 watts tube amps in one head. Needs 3 cabs or at least 3 speakers to realize the full power available. May be issues finding someone in your area competent to work on it.

Anyway, here's the front page of the 400PS section. http://www.timeelect.com/400-PS-IDX.htm
 
i would also just make one 3x15"cab or a 6x10 that has 3 with a seperate jacks for each 8 ohm load. i'd recommend three Eminence 3015's or six 2510's (to make it lightweight). then you'd get the full 435 watts out of it.
here's my latest 400PS (it has TONS of headroom!):

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IN MY HUMBLE, AND ALWAYS INCORRECT OPINION, It's the best amp in the world. There's no guarantee this particular example has been treated correctly, I'd want to check it out thoroughly in person. Otherwise you end up with an expensive, but exceptionally well performing, paperweight. I bought 2 on Ebay, and one is an excellent amp, while the other excels at holding papers in place, or doors open.

I've seen them for around $700, plus shipping, but the ads did not mention service history - at that price they could have needed tune-ups at least. I've seen recently restored examples, outfitted with the rare and elusive GE6550A tubes for closer to $2000. IIRC my functioning 400PS which needed tubes and some routine service cost ~$700 before the cost of service and tubes. My doorstop cost around $500 but came with 5 good GE6550A tubes, plus a full set of original preamp tubes, also good.

Get 3 of these Invalid Link Removed and you'll be able to play any venue smaller than New Mexico without PA support, while having a rig that breaks down and transports easily. It took me years to find the best cabs for this amp. Many seemingly beefy cabs weren't happy with the low end this thing puts out with a downtuned 5 string. Ended up with 1 of the Carvin and 2 Bag End D12E cabs, but those can be hard to find and expensive. I lucked into 2 cheap.

If the cab that comes with it is 4 Ohms, you can run it from one output jack. The amp will run safely with 1 4 Ohm load, but at under 200 watts. Do not run anyhting other than 4 Ohms off of any of the speaker jacks. 1,2, or 3 4 Ohm loads and you're fine.

Cons? It's heavy. It's dangerous to let the kid down the road have at it with his Radio Shack soldering iron because he thinks he can service it, although they don't need any more maintenance than any tube amp. When/if they do need service it should be by somebody who understands this model of amplifier, not just a backyard tube changer tech. Distortion isn't their thing. If you've read about that wonderful tube amp distortion, you won't find it here. Like the man said, headroom. It can do vintage or modern tones quite well, but not distortion or that sloppy, messy, Ampeg grogginess.

Read the time electronics pages, and check out the Yahoo 400PS group archives. It's not a terribly active group, but there's a lot of info there and Rich Koerner weighs in from time to time. He knows more about this amp than anyone alive.
 
i was talking with Bob Rissi (aka Risson Amps) about them about 2 years ago. He's the guy that had a large part in designing it at Fender back in the late 60's-early 70's. last i heard, he has a few NOS 300PS output trannys that he said could handle its output easily. He said if you installed it in place of the 400PS' 3 tap one, it would give you full power at one 4 or 8 ohm load. IMO, i think that a modllike that would make it a little more 'user friendly'.
 
I've read it doesn't sound very distorted and tubey...hmm..interesting. I wonder what it sounds like then

oh, it sounds tubey allright. it sounds like the world's BIGGEST Fender (maybe because it is :)). i wonder where people got the notion that tubes are distorted? tube amps aren't distorted, but they do sound great when they 'pushed' into it, unlike 99% of SS amps.
 
I've read it doesn't sound very distorted and tubey...hmm..interesting. I wonder what it sounds like then

IMO, with my amp, my cabs, my basses.

Bass channel is good for traditional bass tones, pretty strong in the mids. Easy to get a more trebly tone or a bassy, boomy treble free tone. Can't really eliminate the mids from this channel. I like it for straight forward rock or blues.

Instrument channel has remarkable bass response and clear, crisp treble. Mids are not as strong, but this side has a mid control so it's easier to get an exact sound. I like this channel for more "modern" tones, and like it better than any other amp for 5 string. The reverb is nice when used on a low setting with fretless bass. It's difficult to describe, but it's reasonably "hi-fi" while being more "alive" than a solid state amp.
 
I'm sorry, you are right.

I bow to your superior knowledge of my opinion, my amp, my cabs, and my basses. Clearly you know all of these things better than I do. Please tell me the correct amp to use. While I have your attention, what bass and cabinets should I use? I wish I'd encountered you 30 years ago, your wisdom could have saved a lot of time and money. I'll go back and add the "IMO" disclaimer I forgot to add to my first post. It was in my second post, and I thought an intelligent reader could assume the first was drawn from my opinion and experience only. I'm so glad I have you now, and won't have to rely on my faulty mind and senses any longer.