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Fender Bassman 100T Chapter 3

#343
Can you talk to me about the Neo 410 cab for a bit? Past experience has led me away from 10's. From my 210+115 stack waaaay back in the day, to my SWR 410 (pre Fender), to an Ampeg 210 with isobaric 15 I tried last night, the 10's will break up in a not so good, and certainly in a non-musical way if I'm not careful. They all sound pretty good unless I start to dig into the string. The sonic characteristics of the Low B also make me a bit shy of the 410. I sure like the looks of the Neo 410 though, wow. Thoughts?
 
#345
soxhats said:
Hard to say. I think that's a very individual, subjective thing. I've always done well with 410s. Doesn't mean they're for everybody, though.
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I hear what you're saying. I guess what I'm asking is are you afraid of driving this cabinet and can it handle everything you throw at it or do you find you have to stay within the limits of the cabinet?
 
#346
Ah, sorry. I'm a little slow today (or even slower than usual). Oh it handles everything. As I said somewhere on a previous page of this thread, did a gig at a large theatre a couple of weeks ago with the 100T and 410. Passed the test with flying colors.
 
#351
Messing around with the silent recording mode tonight. I still prefer a mic'ed sound, but this isn't bad for that saturated kind of tone....

On the clean, bass eq is flat with both pups in parallel. On OD track, I bumped the hi-mids on the bass.

Settings for both vintage and OD:
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#352
In certain situations, I like the low and treble boost on the vintage channel. Anyone know what is technically happening when they are pulled? They seem to boost and even the manual says they boost (emphasis low-frequency/increase in the high-frequency) but the manual also says that the eq in the vintage channel is passive cut only.

I would really like to see some specs on the both eq sections to see what's happening on paper. Has anyone come across this?

Also, any depositories of EQ settings to achieve different results? I'm still waiting on my first Neo 410 cab so my live playing with this head has been limited to one gig so far. Can't wait.... :hyper:

~Cheers~
 
#353
Pako said:
Can you talk to me about the Neo 410 cab for a bit? Past experience has led me away from 10's. From my 210+115 stack waaaay back in the day, to my SWR 410 (pre Fender), to an Ampeg 210 with isobaric 15 I tried last night, the 10's will break up in a not so good, and certainly in a non-musical way if I'm not careful. They all sound pretty good unless I start to dig into the string. The sonic characteristics of the Low B also make me a bit shy of the 410. I sure like the looks of the Neo 410 though, wow. Thoughts?
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I don't see how there's any way to answer that. It depends on what you play, how you play, where you play and your personal taste in sound. I grew up on 15's but once I played a 2x410 rig there was no turning back. Now I can't believe a single 410 Neo is doing everything I want. I keep looking for an excuse to buy a second because that may be the best looking rig extant - stacked or side by side. But having the 410 Neo for a year and nine months now it's handled even the largest stages I've played - lost count but well over 70 gigs.
BUT (and it's a big but) I am playing live, 4-string, 3-piece rock with loud drummer. Beyond that, I learned years ago that in that scenario if you're hearing a nice round full low end onstage, it is probably mud out front. Because of the wavelength of the low frequencies, they really don't fully develop until you're 15 or 20 feet from the cab. So generally, in my experience, a good solid mid-bass and midrange, without a lot of extraneous sub-lows is what's important for a live rock rig. It may not have as much butt as you'd like on stage, but in that case it's probably just right out front. And IMO 10's are best for that.
So my point is all of that only applies to my situation playing live rock. If you're in the practice room, or playing jazz for instance, or in the studio, or into the low B 5-string thing, it very well might be totally different. I haven't tried the cab in those situations so I can't say. Other than in the practice room of course, and I honestly don't care what it sounds like in the practice room. It's what it does onstage that's important to me. YMMV
 
#354
Pako said:
In certain situations, I like the low and treble boost on the vintage channel. Anyone know what is technically happening when they are pulled? They seem to boost and even the manual says they boost (emphasis low-frequency/increase in the high-frequency) but the manual also says that the eq in the vintage channel is passive cut only.

I would really like to see some specs on the both eq sections to see what's happening on paper. Has anyone come across this?

Also, any depositories of EQ settings to achieve different results? I'm still waiting on my first Neo 410 cab so my live playing with this head has been limited to one gig so far. Can't wait.... :hyper:

~Cheers~
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The preamp section is the same in the 100T and the SB300, so you may find Link Removed of some help.
 
#355
@Freight Train,
Thanks for the input. I can agree with everything you have stated here. I have a single Neo 410 in route and a second one that I'm closing the deal on shortly. My intention is to have one in the basement for rehearsals and general playing at home, while the second one will be ready to load for the gig. I may, on occasion, get a wild hair and stack them, but like you've stated, a single cab has treated you nicely!

@Tom,
I'll check that out, for sure! Thanks.
[edit] EXACTLY what I was looking for!!!:hyper::hyper::hyper:
 
#356
I have found the neo 610, especially with its light weight to be a perfect cab for me. Not to say that the 410 would not have done it, but when I bought in at the beginning the 610 seemed a safer bet - I would not have predicted that the 410 would have been as capable as it has turned out to be. Certainly the 610 is a great "any gig" cab but the 410 does have the advantage that you can use it as a trolley which is practically quite a major I reckon. The 610, however, will give you a bit more clean volume if you want it simply because it has the extra cone area.
On the tube swapping side I have gone back to the Winged C power tubes and a Mullard as the first preamp tube. Works a treat with the Bergantino NV115 which gets some great power tube overdrive with its lower sensitivity - sounds absolutely amazing with my Rickenbacker if you want that early Rick sound without ear bursting volume levels.
To whoever asked about the 100T with a Sadowsky, I did a gig recently with my Sadowsky MV4 and all was sweet - certainly no issues cutting through or getting a nice balance on stage. Mind you, I think one of the beauties of the 100T preamp section is that it should work with any bass. I think I used the OD channel with a tad mid boost, but it was a while ago.
 
#357
Pako said:
@Freight Train,
I have a single Neo 410 in route and a second one that I'm closing the deal on shortly. My intention is to have one in the basement for rehearsals and general playing at home, while the second one will be ready to load for the gig. I may, on occasion, get a wild hair and stack them, but like you've stated, a single cab has treated you nicely!
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Really do not appreciate you putting this idea in my head. :smug:
 

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