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Fender bid gets knocked down!

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vene-nemesis said:
BTW im wondering if the shapes are intelectual properties of fender why cant they do as the please with them? I mean cant i choose who i want to copy my desings and who doesnt? or even when i want them to copy it or not?
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You are losing sight of the facts. If it is your design, and you have exercised control of that design and not allowed it to enter the public domain, then the answer is an affirmative "Yes".

Look at Rickenbacker. They have judiciously filed for tradmarks on all of the designs and protected those designs from day one. Fender opted to NOT trademark the designs, and instead allowed the design to enter the public domain. They had ample opportunity to do so, and opted to not protect any rights to the design.

Once IP has entered the public domain, it will never leave the public domain.
 
#403
bikeplate said:
HI

I found Froglips post in poor taste... You dont like a man's business model so you insult him? Not cool. I guess its easy to insult someone when you are hiding behind your computer in cyber space

Rob
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Completely agree with the above part. I left out the other part simply because I do not know Mr. Sadowsky.

D Rokk said:
i wonder how much roger is laughing at the poop being thrown by both of you monkeys...
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Hehehe
 
#404
bassman314 said:
You are losing sight of the facts. If it is your design, and you have exercised control of that design and not allowed it to enter the public domain, then the answer is an affirmative "Yes".

Look at Rickenbacker. They have judiciously filed for tradmarks on all of the designs and protected those designs from day one. Fender opted to NOT trademark the designs, and instead allowed the design to enter the public domain. They had ample opportunity to do so, and opted to not protect any rights to the design.

Once IP has entered the public domain, it will never leave the public domain.
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I do understand that, what im trying to understand is why there is so many ppl happy that fender lost and some other saying that fender is a greedy company and blah blah... and what really irritates me is that after saying that fender is a greedy company some other ppl try to make look the copycat party as noble guitarmakers, if this whole deal wasnt about money there would have been no trial at all... whoever cant or is not willing to understand that doesnt know what kind of world they are living in.
 
#406
vene-nemesis said:
I do understand that, what im trying to understand is why there is so many ppl happy that fender lost and some other saying that fender is a greedy company and blah blah... and what really irritates me is that after saying that fender is a greedy company some other ppl try to make look the copycat party as noble guitarmakers, if this whole deal wasnt about money there would have been no trial at all... whoever cant or is not willing to understand that doesnt know what kind of world they are living in.
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I can't help you on that one...

I don't believe that all of the guitarmakers got into this business for totally altruistic reasons. You never start a for-profit business for totally altruistic reasons.

I do believe that Fender crossed the line in trying to "protect" a trademark several decades after they allowed folks to copy them without protection.
 
#407
NickyBass said:
I don't know. You seem to like deconstructing statements line by line, and then twisting them until someone let's their guard down, and they you go in for the kill. ;)
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Yeah, I'm the one who is unclear in what I'm saying.
:D

My guess is it didn't support the point you needed to make.
:bassist:

It's always an honor to debate with you, though, Brad...even if you don't fight fair.
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I love the accusation and it should be pretty easy to point out where I didn't "fight fair". So please do.


IME fighting fair is the TB equivalent of "I should tie my brain behind my back and ignore what people actually say". We sure wouldn't want people to have to actually say what they meant to say in the first place vs. just talking.
:cool:
 
#408
NickyBass said:
I missunderstood. I thought you asked who said that Roger's motivation wasn't nobler than Fender. To which I replied -- you.





What does that have to do with inventing the P and J bass?




Well, if you can explain what FMIC did to invent the P and the J bass, I'm all ears. Until then, it is not semantics, it's a fact that they did NOTHING.






In late 70's to early80's? Really? Fender built better basses in the 70's than they did in the 60's? Hmmm.



No, that's called admitting that you don't know all the answers. You should try it some time. It's quite liberating. ;) (Yeah, that was a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist.)
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This was you not deconstructing line by line... or dealing with the discomfort of doing so.

Is that a fair observation?
;)
 
#409
Well if the body styles and scale is the same, it comes down to craftsmanship and electronics really, which is good for the industry as a whole. If Fender won the suit, all the other builders would have to do is make one horn longer, or something like that. The whole thing is silly really.
 
#410
Brad Johnson said:
I love the accusation and it should be pretty easy to point out where I didn't "fight fair". So please do.
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Haha. I'm just teasing you. No disrespect meant. Please don't feel that I was attacking you. Just trying to lighten the mood, you know.

I started 'debating' because you made a comment about me not responding to your post. To be honest, this topic is old hat to me. Like I said, no horse for me here.

I deleted part of the quote because Roger was joking with another TBer and I didn't want it to be taken out of context. It was out of respect, really. Feel free to post the whole thing.
 
#412
NickyBass said:
Haha. I'm just teasing you. No disrespect meant. Please don't feel that I was attacking you. Just trying to lighten the mood, you know.
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it's just funny that I've heard that a few times before, usually when a conversation isn't exactly going the other way. I have another one going on where I supposedly said high end basses are always better than anything else, a good fretjob trumps everything and all sorts of goofiness that I couldn't say with a straight face. I also found that my setup and repair skills are lacking and I really don't know how to look at or judge a bass for myself. All this from someone who wouldn't know me from Adam. Must be a nanny cam around here somewhere. Fun stuff.
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I started 'debating' because you made a comment about me not responding to your post. To be honest, this topic is old hat to me. Like I said, no horse for me here.

I deleted part of the quote because Roger was joking with another TBer and I didn't want it to be taken out of context. It was out of respect, really. Feel free to post the whole thing.
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Nah, it's cool.
 
#419
froglips said:
I agree that it was definitely in poor taste!:p
I voiced an opinion that is based somewhat in fact, and intentionally worded it to be very abrasive, and even flip-flopped a few times to get a reaction from the peanut gallery ...And to see if Mr Sadowsky would pass a little social test. Sorry bout that Mr Sadowsky.:D

I was just seeing how some of the people were kissing his butt so much because he is famous, and wanted to see if I could get Mr Sadowsky to freak out on me for them to see "The Devil in Mr Sadowsky" if you will.

I would definitely question his integrity if I were thinking of buying a Bass from him, but definitely not in the same completely disrespectful way I did in that most heinous post of mine a few pages back. Again, I apologize for that stupid and disrespectful attempt at a social test Mr Sadowsky. Although, in case you care, you passed with flying colors:hyper: ... And I failed miserably instead!:bawl:

I shall delete said post now, and put myself on the mercy of the court.:hiding:
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Seriously, have you even read the forum rules? You've just admitted to deliberately disrespecting another user for the purposes of upsetting other users and seeing if that user will blow up at you. That sounds a lot like trolling. TB is not here for you to antagonise other users and certainly not ones we are lucky to have participate. Its a courtesy to us that people like Roger S and other lutheirs take the time to post here and share their knowledge and you want to come here to antagonise them? I find that disgusting beyond words.
 
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