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Fender MIA vs MIJ in 2024

Great point, Orlandez! Are you able to cite any experience you have had with steel rods in which they seemed inferior. The reason that I ask is that I think Olinto simply use steel rods. This leads me to this it is possible that graphite rods aren't as important as we always thought!
as far as I know only Warmoth uses bonded steel reinforcement rods in their necks unless the buyer asks them to use graphite instead.
Isn’t Olinto supposed to recreate vintage-style FSOs? If so, they don’t use any bonded rods but just a standard truss rod, which doesn’t cover the same function of reinforcement rods, whether they are made of steel or graphite.
A bonded rod becomes integral part of the neck section, which, de facto, becomes a composite section with an increased Young modulus because both steel and graphite are stiffer than wood (steel more, but it is also heavier).
This yields beneficial effects to any kind of neck without doubts and I’d eagerly have a stiffened neck in all basses I own, especially my beloved AO ‘60s jazz bass which now doesn’t eagerly accept LaBella flats … I believe we may be talking about different subjects ..
 
I have both these models, purchased new within the last 12 months. For context, these are my first Fenders after playing exclusively Stingrays for the last ten years.

I'm not sure of the OP's location but here in Australia there was a big price difference with the Am Pro II being much more expensive.

Here are some general observations and comparisons.

IMO they are both very good basses for mass produced instruments. Although I have owned better I have no complaints with the overall build quality of either bass. The neck pocket joint is definitely tighter/better on my MIJ H II than on my AM Pro II but both are acceptable. This might be down to the variance between individual instruments.

The AM Pro II had a really weak jack socket which needed replacement almost immediately.

Both basses were in a terrible state of setup from the shop and both needed a fair bit of work to get to what I'd consider playable. With that out of the way, they both setup pretty well (although not as good as my Stingrays, sorry :) ).

The AM Pro II has a hex key truss adjustment at the heel, and comes with a toolset which includes a T Wrench which allows adjustment without removing the neck. The JP H II adjusts at the head, but didn't come with any tools.

We've had some seasonal changes recently where I live and the AM Pro II neck was more stable than the MIJ H II which needed adjustment when the AM Pro II did not.

The necks on both are very good. Necks are very personal things. I prefer the MIJ H II but that's just me and I would not argue with anyone who preferred the AM Pro II. They are both really good. Frets are very good on both, splitting hairs but again I prefer the MIJ H II, but this is a personal thing and it's line ball.

The AMP Pro II has the contoured neck heel thing for access to the higher frets, the MIJ H II has the standard four bolt positions. Either is fine by me but might be important to others.

The pots feel similar on each. The tuners on the AM Pro II feel better, but both work perfectly fine.

I forget what wood the bodies are made of but the AM Pro II is *significantly* heavier. I can't overstate this, the difference is huge and noticeable. They both hang on the strap nicely and as a P Bass should, but for anyone who is sensitive to heavy basses, I strongly urge you to pick up a AM Pro II before you decide to buy one. It is a LUMP of a thing compared to the MIJ H II. I'm fine with heavy basses but if I wasn't then the MIJ H II would be better.

Both sound great to me. The AM Pro II has the greasebucket circuit. I am still getting used to this and I'm not sure where I stand on it. For sure it rewards a careful hand on the tone pot to get the best from it. If you just want a plug and play, set and forget classic P bass tone then the MIJ H II is easier to get there out of the box, but they will both do it of course.

I've gigged both basses extensively and been very happy with each. If I could only keep one I can't honestly say which one it would be. Perhaps maybe *just* the AM Pro II because of the neck stability and the fact that it maintains a setup a little better. If I could only afford one and money was any sort of an issue, then the MIJ H II all day every day.

Hope this helps. Ask if you have any other questions.
Mike
Appreciate the thoughtful write up Mike. I bite the bullet and purchased it, I'm excited to play it for a few weeks, I might come back to TB for a write up on my thoughts about it. If I don't like the feel of the neck and the finish I could always sell it and buy another Am Pro II. I looked more into the hardware and it has Gotoh tuners and bridge, which is nice and the Hybrid II series seems to use CTS pots so if anything I could replace the pickups if I don't like the tone much.
 
I have both these models, purchased new within the last 12 months. For context, these are my first Fenders after playing exclusively Stingrays for the last ten years.

I'm not sure of the OP's location but here in Australia there was a big price difference with the Am Pro II being much more expensive.

Here are some general observations and comparisons.

IMO they are both very good basses for mass produced instruments. Although I have owned better I have no complaints with the overall build quality of either bass. The neck pocket joint is definitely tighter/better on my MIJ H II than on my AM Pro II but both are acceptable. This might be down to the variance between individual instruments.

The AM Pro II had a really weak jack socket which needed replacement almost immediately.

Both basses were in a terrible state of setup from the shop and both needed a fair bit of work to get to what I'd consider playable. With that out of the way, they both setup pretty well (although not as good as my Stingrays, sorry :) ).

The AM Pro II has a hex key truss adjustment at the heel, and comes with a toolset which includes a T Wrench which allows adjustment without removing the neck. The JP H II adjusts at the head, but didn't come with any tools.

We've had some seasonal changes recently where I live and the AM Pro II neck was more stable than the MIJ H II which needed adjustment when the AM Pro II did not.

The necks on both are very good. Necks are very personal things. I prefer the MIJ H II but that's just me and I would not argue with anyone who preferred the AM Pro II. They are both really good. Frets are very good on both, splitting hairs but again I prefer the MIJ H II, but this is a personal thing and it's line ball.

The AMP Pro II has the contoured neck heel thing for access to the higher frets, the MIJ H II has the standard four bolt positions. Either is fine by me but might be important to others.

The pots feel similar on each. The tuners on the AM Pro II feel better, but both work perfectly fine.

I forget what wood the bodies are made of but the AM Pro II is *significantly* heavier. I can't overstate this, the difference is huge and noticeable. They both hang on the strap nicely and as a P Bass should, but for anyone who is sensitive to heavy basses, I strongly urge you to pick up a AM Pro II before you decide to buy one. It is a LUMP of a thing compared to the MIJ H II. I'm fine with heavy basses but if I wasn't then the MIJ H II would be better.

Both sound great to me. The AM Pro II has the greasebucket circuit. I am still getting used to this and I'm not sure where I stand on it. For sure it rewards a careful hand on the tone pot to get the best from it. If you just want a plug and play, set and forget classic P bass tone then the MIJ H II is easier to get there out of the box, but they will both do it of course.

I've gigged both basses extensively and been very happy with each. If I could only keep one I can't honestly say which one it would be. Perhaps maybe *just* the AM Pro II because of the neck stability and the fact that it maintains a setup a little better. If I could only afford one and money was any sort of an issue, then the MIJ H II all day every day.

Hope this helps. Ask if you have any other questions.
Mike
American Pro II’s do *not* have the greasebucket circuit. That’s on the American Performer.
 
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This topic has been in debate for years now and I know there are other, older threads about it. I wanted to ask everyone on here thought about this debate by today's standards and Fender's newest lines. I own an Jazz Am Pro II and other than the frets having slight sprout (possibly do to the previous owner not storing it right) it's a great bass and I love playing it. I've been eyeing some P basses on Reverb and I'm torn between getting another Am Pro II or a made in Japan Hybrid II. I do own one MIJ Fender, it's a 90s Fujigen jazz bass.

Does anyone have any experience with newer MIJ basses, the Hybrid II series in particular compared to the current Am Pro II lineup. The basses I'm considering are roughly the same price minus shipping.
Made by Mexicans in Mexico or made by Mexicans in the USA.
 
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I can’t speak to CIJ’s much; I’ve owned an Aerodyne before, but it was a 2003 non-export model. Very nice J-width slim neck, vintage style frets. I’m sure they vary from model to model just like MIA and MIM Fenders do.

But to speak to some of the comments in this thread comparing MIAs to MIMs:

I’ve owned a lot of American Fender P basses, several MIMs, Squiers, and non-Fenders. The American Pro II neck is for my hands by far the most comfortable to play for 3-4 hours in a night. The extra-rounded fretboard edges, new satin finish on the back, narrow-tall frets, and ‘63 profile are all fantastic. I currently also own two Pro I’s, an American Standard, a Squier Classic Vibe Jazz, a Stingray Special, a Sterling Ray35, an Epi 60s Tbird, and recently sold two American Deluxe Dimensions. The Pro II is my favourite neck.

What differentiates them from the Player necks are rounded fretboard edges, graphite coated truss rods, Posiflex rod, lightweight tuners, tapered tuner shafts, bone nut, high gloss finish on the head stock face (and on maple fretboards), and of course the truss adjustment at the butt versus at the headstock. Whether any of those things matter to you or not is up to you; for me, they’re worth the extra $$ for just the feel of the necks, and the extra stuff I either don’t care about or is a nice to have.
 
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I am all-in on the current MIJ Fenders. My first was a light-blue Aerodyne Special J when those came out a couple years ago now. After getting that, immediately sold off my recently-purchased Fender American Performer Precision and soon bought the Elemental and Jino basses below.

There is a thread about the current MIJ Hybrid IIs, and this my post in it about my two Hybrid II Jazzes. https://www.talkbass.com/threads/fender-hybrid-ii-mij.1661319/page-2#post-28715631

Here are my other modern MIJs
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L to R: Jino signature J, Elemental J, Aerodyne Special P, Aerodyne Special J. I love them all. Fit and finish is fantastic on all, setup was/is great, perfectly good fretwork on all.

The ONLY change I've made other than just minor setup customization/personalization on any of them was to swap out the pickup on the Aerodyne Special Precision. It's a really weird/hot/overly-aggressive pickup. Crazier than a Duncan QP or Dimarzio Split Rail. I put a Geezer P in it and it's great now.

Ikebe Music in Japan is my #1 source for Japanese domestic-market basses, followed by eBay resellers. Message me if you go down the Japanese eBay route. Lots to be aware of, and the resellers there don't operate like normal sellers in the US.

 
Perhaps it's due to the colorway and matching head stock. Shipping cost a grip coming from Japan. I was tempted by the matching head stock, we'll see how it plays. Worst case I can sell it and and buy an AM Pro II, I really like this burgundy mist finish.

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I just bought a new MIJ 70s jazz bass that is absolutely immaculate. Great neck, body, finish and the sound is amazing. It nails the 70s sound perfectly.
 
This topic has been in debate for years now and I know there are other, older threads about it. I wanted to ask everyone on here thought about this debate by today's standards and Fender's newest lines. I own an Jazz Am Pro II and other than the frets having slight sprout (possibly do to the previous owner not storing it right) it's a great bass and I love playing it. I've been eyeing some P basses on Reverb and I'm torn between getting another Am Pro II or a made in Japan Hybrid II. I do own one MIJ Fender, it's a 90s Fujigen jazz bass.

Does anyone have any experience with newer MIJ basses, the Hybrid II series in particular compared to the current Am Pro II lineup. The basses I'm considering are roughly the same price minus shipping.
I just bought my first MIJ Fender and I couldn't be happier. It's a 70s jazz bass reissue and it is immaculate. The fit and finish are perfect and the fret job is the best I've ever had on any Fender. I'm wondering if they did the PLEK treatment on it! It is a custom international color (Maui blue) that is only available on the Japanese basses.
 
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The Hybrid II arrived yesterday and it oozes quality, better fretwork than my Am Pro II! The neck is a dream to play on, the satin finish feels different than my MIA but it is still quality work. The setup out of the box was pretty spot on, action isn't high whatsoever but I'll most likely lower it a tad. The intonation is also on point! Once I get some TIs or maybe some La Bella LTFs on it, it will be perfect. :D
 
I just bought my first MIJ Fender and I couldn't be happier. It's a 70s jazz bass reissue and it is immaculate. The fit and finish are perfect and the fret job is the best I've ever had on any Fender. I'm wondering if they did the PLEK treatment on it! It is a custom international color (Maui blue) that is only available on the Japanese basses.
The fretwork on mine is also great! Very pleased with the purchase and the cool finishes are the cherry on top.
 
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The Hybrid II arrived yesterday and it oozes quality, better fretwork than my Am Pro II! The neck is a dream to play on, the satin finish feels different than my MIA but it is still quality work. The setup out of the box was pretty spot on, action isn't high whatsoever but I'll most likely lower it a tad. The intonation is also on point! Once I get some TIs or maybe some La Bella LTFs on it, it will be perfect. :D
Very cool! Pics or it didn't happen. Show that thing off!
 
This topic has been in debate for years now and I know there are other, older threads about it. I wanted to ask everyone on here thought about this debate by today's standards and Fender's newest lines. I own an Jazz Am Pro II and other than the frets having slight sprout (possibly do to the previous owner not storing it right) it's a great bass and I love playing it. I've been eyeing some P basses on Reverb and I'm torn between getting another Am Pro II or a made in Japan Hybrid II. I do own one MIJ Fender, it's a 90s Fujigen jazz bass.

Does anyone have any experience with newer MIJ basses, the Hybrid II series in particular compared to the current Am Pro II lineup. The basses I'm considering are roughly the same price minus shipping.
I started a thread the other day about the Hybrid II basses.
If they play and sound as good as they look, and they definitely 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 better than Fender USA's current lineup with the exception of two or three American Fenders, I'd be willing to gamble and buy one online, especially since quite a few are available here in the States
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