Couldn’t be happier with the build and finish quality of my 2025 American Professional II P5. I even like the V mod II pickups which have a wide range of tone adjustment and sound great in recordings.
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Unfortunately availability is an issue and with lenient return policies there is nothing inherently wrong with purchasing online. There should be a standard of quality and I don’t mean set up, fret end dressing etc as that can come from storage transportation etc. In my case I got an extremely playable instrument very well setup, just lacking in other area.Everyone's experience, and budget, is different. The worst guitar I've ever played is my Ric 330. The best is my PRS Custom 24. And my best basses are a Korean Guild Starfire II and Indonesian Squier CV Mustang. If Fender ever releases one, I'll probably buy an Indonesian Standard Jazz V. The 4's I've played, even at GC, have compared favorably to the higher end production stuff. But I won't just buy one sight unseen. That's a fool's errand.
I wonder if Fender could benefit from adding a "good one" checker at the end of the production line. Basses that don't have a good feel could be disassembled and reassembled with a different combination of parts. Maybe after a few tries toss the bad neck or body out (or sell as parts at reduced price).Totally agree with that statement. The only way to put this to a group test may be a simple vote - how many good ones have people had versus how many bad ones?
However, we all know that people in general (me included) are far more vociferous in shouting about the poor ones than we are at praising the good ones, so the result is still likely to be loaded in favour of those who are disappointed.
For my tuppence worth, I have a 2022 MiM Player p-bass that I bought as a back-up when I started gigging again. It was intended to be "second fiddle" to my old Aria from the '80s. It needed a neck shim to get the setup right (so it wasn't great out the factory), but everything else was perfect. No cosmetic issues, dings, scrapes, poor assembly or otherwise. And it's now my #1 bass for just about everything!
I'd put it on the "good one" list - but only after a proper set-up.
Availability of Fenders is an issue? In my city, music stores are full of them. I’d say at least half the bass inventory is Fender/Squier. Test driving them is never an issue.Unfortunately availability is an issue and with lenient return policies there is nothing inherently wrong with purchasing online. There should be a standard of quality and I don’t mean set up, fret end dressing etc as that can come from storage transportation etc. In my case I got an extremely playable instrument very well setup, just lacking in other area.
lol. I think a good one or a bad one as far as playability can vary. I think maybe just a simple qc check. Make sure there isn’t any dents in the body, finishing lifting, neck issue and hardware issues. A simple playability is fine but I think we all expect to set up a bass including some fret end dressing since Fender can’t control extreme temp swings, changing humidity and shipping issues.I wonder if Fender could benefit from adding a "good one" checker at the end of the production line. Basses that don't have a good feel could be disassembled and reassembled with a different combination of parts. Maybe after a few tries toss the bad neck or body out (or sell as parts at reduced price).
Yes, availability is an issue especially on certain models. The American performer precision (pj bass) is one of those. Contrary to popular belief there are areas that don’t stock every Fender bass model.Availability of Fenders is an issue? In my city, music stores are full of them. I’d say at least half the bass inventory is Fender/Squier. Test driving them is never an issue.
Nor have I, US or MIM.I have had none.
It’s a helluva good instrument! I’ve also never seen a Gibson that was bad. My guitar player has had several of them, all perfect. I’ve had a new Les Paul Dc. Perfect. But people have definitely had some issues, quite a bit in fact. Sweetwater rep had reported that they had to send an average of 13% of Gibsons back in 2017.Nor have I, US or MIM.
Great instruments, regardless or the naysayers.
Still, Fender availability and options are way better than the more exotic stuff I'm interested in e.g. Spector, Sandberg, Warwick, etc. which I'm basically forced to buy online.Yes, availability is an issue especially on certain models. The American performer precision (pj bass) is one of those. Contrary to popular belief there are areas that don’t stock every Fender bass model.
In my case I went with a smaller, privately owned single storefront company which also sells online (as to avoid big box companies). No different than my local store which has a rather large online sales footprint. I’m not sure I know any brick and mortar store front that stocks all 49 models including all of the big box stores that might stock 6-7. My GC stocks 3 models with a total of 8 basses (in various colors).
And that's the rub.It’s a helluva good instrument! I’ve also never seen a Gibson that was bad. My guitar player has had several of them, all perfect. I’ve had a new Les Paul Dc. Perfect. But people have definitely had some issues, quite a bit in fact. Sweetwater rep had reported that they had to send an average of 13% of Gibsons back in 2017.
I’m finding it’s tough to really figure out any solid numbers with Fender because you have have really good places that are very particular about not letting an inferior product hit their floor. Hence all of their products will be set up perfect and have perfect qc.
It’s a helluva good instrument! I’ve also never seen a Gibson that was bad. My guitar player has had several of them, all perfect. I’ve had a new Les Paul Dc. Perfect. But people have definitely had some issues, quite a bit in fact. Sweetwater rep had reported that they had to send an average of 13% of Gibsons back in 2017.Nor have I, US or MIM.
Great instruments, regardless or the naysayers.
Absolutely, for the most part Fender offers something for everyone. Spector is heavily stocked in my area crazy enough and those seem pretty nice but it’s tough to beat a classic Fender design. I went with 3 Warmoth builds after several unpleasant encounters with Fender and those have been absolute top tier quality but at $900 for a shipped American Performer Precision i can’t complain too much. I would have had close to $1000 just in a finished Warmoth neck and body not including the $600-700 needed for electronics and hardware.Still, Fender availability and options are way better than the more exotic stuff I'm interested in e.g. Spector, Sandberg, Warwick, etc. which I'm basically forced to buy online.
How many of those were P5s?Availability of Fenders is an issue? In my city, music stores are full of them. I’d say at least half the bass inventory is Fender/Squier. Test driving them is never an issue.
Yea, I seen the one thread on here complaining about how the control plate doesn’t line up with the pickguard. I mean that stuff is petty and is just a slight parts deviance and not even an issue in my book. Neck gap…hell I like a nice little neck gap, at least I know when the humidity goes up I’m not going to get stress fractures in the corner of the neck pocket. People want an air tight neck pocket and then wonder why they got corner neck pocket fractures when their house shoots up to 80% humidity. Even neck warping to a point is rarely on the manufacturer. Wood is natural and wood is unpredictable. I have a musicman and while perfect in the qc department, it does suffer from being the most unstable neck ever. You breath on the neck and it will move. I keep my house between 45-50% humidity all year around and I still have to adjust that thing at least 5-6x yearly. That’s not on MM. that’s just nature of the beast with wood.And that's the rub.
I've seen lots of posts where folks complain about set up issues as QC problems and stores that will have instruments out where the strings are sky high or on the frets, or waaay too much relief. This is an issue with the dealer, not Fender. The store's I frequent, and have in the past, make sure all the instruments are set up and perfectly playable.
All manufacturers have QC issues, I've had Lakland Skylines with huge neck gaps and janky frets, G&L's with not so great truss action, and all three Ric's with the worst dead spots I've ever encountered in an instrument.
No company is perfect, and Fender manufactures more than most.
Probably very few to none. But how many people want P5s? It's a niche instrument.How many of those were P5s?
Figures. Had to ask.....Probably very few to none. But how many people want P5s? It's a niche instrument.
