Fender Rumble Club

[Mvf]

I've been looking out for a 210 extension cab for my 500c. Another 500c is for sale near me. If I used that as the extension cab, am I right in thinking that the second combo won't need power? Could I go from Extension Speaker out into the Effects Return of the second, unpowered, 500c?
Thanks

No you cannot! You’ll probably cause some kind of damage.

But what you can do, is to chain the combos, and by this getting a 700 watt stack.

just connect the master amp effect send to the slave amp effect return. Power both on and enjoy!

You adjust volume, tone and buttoms from the top (master) amp, you don’t need to touch the controls on the slave

I do this with my R200c and R500c sometimes when I need more power, doesn’t happen that often though…)

 

[FearNoEvil65]

Just keep on Rumbling, the JB sounds sweet through the 200 combo

 

[G-Dog]

I've been looking out for a 210 extension cab for my 500c. Another 500c is for sale near me. If I used that as the extension cab, am I right in thinking that the second combo won't need power? Could I go from Extension Speaker out into the Effects Return of the second, unpowered, 500c?
Thanks

NO!!! T, the Extension Speaker Out is HIGH VOLTAGE and would damage the other amp, maybe both amps!!, if you plugged it into the other amp's signal-level FX Return!!! That HIGH VOLTAGE is what powers the otherwise unpowered speaker!

The way to connect two Rumble 500 combos is FX Send from one to FX Return of the other while both are plugged in, then turn them both on. The second amp needs electricity for the power amp to amplify the signal that comes from the first amp. Then, instead of a 500w stack you have a 700w stack (2 x 350w)!!
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[Pelagic]

Alright. I was skeptical of the Rumble 800 combo as I've been using hi-fi rigs for a while. I played it at two different gigs this weekend, one inside and one out. No FOH support, just the amp pushing bass out into the room. Great sound with my current happy EQ place (11, 11, 12, 1) and it cuts right through the mix with juice to spare. Super happy with it! GGould % ->Underground Accelerator_> MXR DI -> Combo for the clean sound. Various pedals at other times. Recorded on a matched set of Audio Technica ATM33a's straight to the camera.

 

[Alnitak]

Greetings. I have a Rumble 500 Head. I always thought the function of the DI was to send a constant line (or mic) level signal to the mixer and FOH such that the signal (and volume) can be consistent—regardless of what tweaks I may make to the stage amp. On my Mesa D800+, I can send either a clean (pre) or effects laden (post) signal to the board, turn my stage volume way up, or way down, and my FOH volume does not change (i.e. the DI level is not impacted at all).

Is my DI broken?

 

[G-Dog]

Greetings. I have a Rumble 500 Head. I always thought the function of the DI was to send a constant line (or mic) level signal to the mixer and FOH such that the signal (and volume) can be consistent—regardless of what tweaks I may make to the stage amp. On my Mesa D800+, I can send either a clean (pre) or effects laden (post) signal to the board, turn my stage volume way up, or way down, and my FOH volume does not change (i.e. the DI level is not impacted at all).

Is my DI broken?

Greetings, Al! @Alnitak, you are now member #1642 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

Your Rumble 500 head is not broken, the XLR Out is affected by the Master volume control, as is the case for all such Rumbles w/XLR Out up to that point in 2014. But, it's not as big an affect as many people make out. Many board people don't notice it at all. See several testimonials in the Rumble XLR Out Volume Levels section of the Club wiki.

But, 7ender listened to users concerns and began adding more pro-level features. In 2018, with the Rumble Stage 800 & Studio 40 combos, they put the Master downstream of the XLR Out* and added both Pre & Post (or Stereo) DUAL XLRs! And in 2019, with the Rumble 800 HD head, the Master is downstream of the XLR Out* and they added a Pre/Post button & a Ground Lift button. And in 2022, the Rumble 800 combo, the Master is dowstream of the XLR Out* and it has a Pre/Post button & a Ground Lift button.

So, Al, how 'bout telling us a bit about yourself, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? Whatever your situation you're going to fit right in 'cause we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!

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*means the Master does not affect the XLR Out(s)

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[Alnitak]

Thanks for that—and yes, it’s not like I need to make major changes in stage volume, but the group I currently play with prefers to minimize time setting up so we end up sound checking on the fly and adjustments are often necessary. Anyways…

Northern Minnesota, small town environment. Like many others on this site, I played when I was younger and getting back into it again. Loads of fun. Mostly classic rock but whatever it takes to encourage dancing. I have a Squire PB, but recently picked up 1979 Rickenbacker. Loving that. And remembering how much fun it is to be setting the groove to which we move.

Started with a Rumble 100 combo–served me well for over a year. But in my current group, as we started playing out, I was just barely able hear myself on stage. Tried the dual 100 solution, as well as the 200/100 combo but neither got me where I wanted to be (two loud guitars). So picked the R500 head used. Sold/returned my other Rumble combos so I’m temporarily running the R500 head through a couple PA (mid focused) speakers, which (minus the low end), cuts through really well. Expecting a RevSound 12” cabinet any day now—looking forward to that so I can get that bottom end back. Mostly just having fun and helping others have fun. Will probably experiment bi-amping with the Mesa (for top end sizzle), and the R500 + RevSound, for lower end Rumble. I’m okay with a bit of redundancy and extra headroom. Like to be prepared.

Thanks for the welcome and technical detail! Wish they had thought about the downstream integration earlier, but, still happy with the head.

 

[G-Dog]

Thanks for that—and yes, it’s not like I need to make major changes in stage volume, ... ... ...

Right, I've never been called down for making volume adjustments with my R500c in the 9 years I've had it! I actually usually do it on my bass, which pretty much negates the Master placement in the circuitry anyway! ​

... ... ... Started with a Rumble 100 combo–served me well for over a year. But in my current group, as we started playing out, I was just barely able hear myself on stage. Tried the dual 100 solution, as well as the 200/100 combo but neither got me where I wanted to be (two loud guitars). So picked the R500 head used. Sold/returned my other Rumble combos so I’m temporarily running the R500 head through a couple PA (mid focused) speakers, which (minus the low end), cuts through really well. Expecting a RevSound 12” cabinet any day now—looking forward to that so I can get that bottom end back. ... ... ...

Wow! You really have had quite a journey through the Rumbles!! You must like the tones/sounds you get. ​

... ... ... Thanks for the welcome and technical detail! Wish they had thought about the downstream integration earlier, but, still happy with the head.

Glad to have ya with us, Al.

And, yes, 7ender did think about putting the Master downstream of the XLR Out earlier. Their premium Bassman line has had it, with Pre/Post & Ground Lift buttons, a lot longer. But the Rumbles are their "Value Line", meaning inexpensive. In their Explanation of XLR Out Volume Levels, the Rumble Principal Engineer said:

"The signal present at the XLR Line Out being "post- Master" is a continuation of the feature as found on the V2 series (which only had a single Volume knob, not Gain and Master) that offers an accurate representation of the preamp signal driving the speaker and contained all preamp EQ/tone adjustments including OD, etc. While this is a useful feature as it stands, we recognize that some customers may prefer an XLR Line Out signal that was unaffected by any preamp controls (or at least not the Master vol.), as found in more expensive products and dedicated DI boxes."
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[GonePlaid]

Alright. I was skeptical of the Rumble 800 combo as I've been using hi-fi rigs for a while. I played it at two different gigs this weekend, one inside and one out. No FOH support, just the amp pushing bass out into the room. Great sound with my current happy EQ place (11, 11, 12, 1) and it cuts right through the mix with juice to spare. Super happy with it! GGould % ->Underground Accelerator_> MXR DI -> Combo for the clean sound. Various pedals at other times. Recorded on a matched set of Audio Technica ATM33a's straight to the camera.

 

[GordoBass]

When did you order your Revsound cabinet? How long has it taken?

 

[Deleted member 268085]

Alright. I was skeptical of the Rumble 800 combo as I've been using hi-fi rigs for a while. I played it at two different gigs this weekend, one inside and one out. No FOH support, just the amp pushing bass out into the room. Great sound with my current happy EQ place (11, 11, 12, 1) and it cuts right through the mix with juice to spare. Super happy with it! GGould % ->Underground Accelerator_> MXR DI -> Combo for the clean sound. Various pedals at other times. Recorded on a matched set of Audio Technica ATM33a's straight to the camera.

Terrific sound! I've saved the video and the Set 1 video. Will watch them on my 65" home theater system.

 

[BLYN]

My two rumble 210
Horn is set to - 6 dB on both.
(+ Aguilar AG700 and an old Fender J)
This is a very nice setup!

 

[Lemur Bassman]

Sounds amazing! I watched the other live videos as well and the two videos (part I + II maybe...Ciderworks) are really amazing! Great band and great bass playing too. What really blew me away was the sound/tone of the Rumble 800...wow! In one live one you were using the GK..."MB" maybe? And this Rumble "blew it away" in my opinion tone-wise. So, just to recap, the Rumble 800 (not Stage btw) pushes out 450 watts without a cab? With neodymium speakers? No microphones/PA used in this clip, straight cab only?

 

[E Buzz]

So, if the new 800c is a little brighter (for lack of a better descriptor) and a fella likes the tone of a 500c, could one still get the 500c tone my messing with the 800's EQ? That 6.5 lb. weight difference is very attractive to me at the moment.

 

[G-Dog]

You're quite welcome, Lemur. It's a little known fact about the the Stage & 800 combo, but the information is easily available, even in the Rumble Summary Info Chart on the Rumble Club Wiki page. ​

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... ... ... So, just to recap, the Rumble 800 (not Stage btw) pushes out 450 [400] watts without a cab? With neodymium speakers? ... ...

Not quite, Lemur. The non-Stage Rumble 800 combo can push up to 400 watts continuous (like RMS) without a cab. Exactly half its nameplate value, just like the Stage 800.

And, again, that information is easily available in the Rumble Summary Info Chart on the Rumble Club Wiki page.
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[G-Dog]

So, if the new 800c is a little brighter (for lack of a better descriptor) and a fella likes the tone of a 500c, could one still get the 500c tone my messing with the 800's EQ? That 6.5 lb. weight difference is very attractive to me at the moment.

I'd really like to think so, BuzzE. It's certainly worth trying, if you're in the market! I wish I were. That new Rumble 800 combo sure is attractive to me, too!

But some other descriptors used for the R800c in comparison to the R500c are "tighter" and "more hi-fi", which could be harder to EQ out. I believe the pre-amps are exactly the same, so the tones/sounds should be very similar overall and I wouldn't expect the type of speaker magnet to make such a great deal of difference. But maybe that's just me, after all I can't hear any significant difference between my R500c 2x10" ceramics and my Bassman 115 Neo using the same signal.
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[Pelagic]

Terrific sound! I've saved the video and the Set 1 video. Will watch them on my 65" home theater system.

The mics work surprisingly well! I've recorded live music with them for years. Work great as high spl drum mics, too.

EDITED: Maybe don't listen to that on the home theater, as the mics work surpisingly well...when you can hear what I'm doing, the playing quality drops dramatically

 

[Pelagic]

Sounds amazing! I watched the other live videos as well and the two videos (part I + II maybe...Ciderworks) are really amazing! Great band and great bass playing too. What really blew me away was the sound/tone of the Rumble 800...wow! In one live one you were using the GK..."MB" maybe? And this Rumble "blew it away" in my opinion tone-wise. So, just to recap, the Rumble 800 (not Stage btw) pushes out 450 watts without a cab? With neodymium speakers? No microphones/PA used in this clip, straight cab only?

Hey! just saw this. Correct 800, not stage. 400 watts to internal 10's, I think? No mic. I used the same amp for both gigs this weekend. The Gould and the Rumble match VERY well. Thanks for the compliments!

For reference, I do use the GK MB 212ii once in a while, but I think this just became my live amp.

 

[Pelagic]

So, if the new 800c is a little brighter (for lack of a better descriptor) and a fella likes the tone of a 500c, could one still get the 500c tone my messing with the 800's EQ? That 6.5 lb. weight difference is very attractive to me at the moment.

I actually returned my 500 for the 800. I will say that the 500 sounded more "wooly", and the 800 can do it IF I use the overdrive channel with a hint of dirt. And yes, the weight is just silly for what comes out of it.

 

[Alnitak]

When did you order your Revsound cabinet? How long has it taken?

First week of May. Should be close now!