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Double Bass Festivals and a double bass...

Don Hergert

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Jan 17, 2018
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So our band just got back from the Temecula Valley Bluegrass Festival, we played two sets on Sunday. I play banjo with our band (Sweet Tidings Gospel Jam) and our bass player prefers my Alcoa so we brought it for him to use. My wife and I are festival campers and I love jamming with this bass, so bringing it along is also what I wanted to do...

The bass performed wonderfully so I'm very glad it was along. However storing it in our 21 foot Class C RV is a challenge. This festival had rain, wind and a lot of mud, so I didn't want to leave the Alcoa outside much at all. Seems like one way or another we give up something important to carry and store this wonderful instrument.

A 21 foot Class C RV isn't big, but for two people who don't mind sharing the space it can work pretty nicely. The big advantages are that it's easy to drive around, it's easier on the gas, it costs less to purchase and it can qualify to camp in just about any camping space. It has all the facilities but just not much space. We do not have slide-outs, chosen intentionally that way for weight and maintenance reasons.

For traveling to this festival I had all the instruments on the over-cab section, which worked ok. With the 8" thick bed also in that compartment, the smaller instruments fit on the bed and the bass fits on the "floor" front of the bed, sort of locking everything else in place. That is the only way that the bass fits in this compartment as long as the bed is there.

Once we arrived at the festival, the smaller instruments went into the cab, no problem. But frequently during this stay when we had the bass in the rig, I had it either on the kitchen table or on the master (downstairs) bed, both which weren't convenient. I could put the bass upstairs, but only the one way, and doing so makes it impossible to get up into that bed. We don't often have guests stay with us, but we considered it for this trip and normally having the upstairs bed makes that possible to do, but not with the bass in that compartment.

Sooo, we're faced with a decision. I really want to bring the bass camping and to festivals because I love jamming with it and because it will be required for our bass player if our band is performing. But I'm pretty sure we're going to have to give up the upper bed in the RV to do so. Removing the upper bed will make it possible to store the bass (and any other desired instruments) upstairs out of the way in a variety of configurations, but it pretty well means no one can sleep there.

I have thought about standing the bass up in the cab area which is technically possible, but that means the smaller instruments need to go elsewhere and it also means that the "floor" around the bed has to be removed which reduces easy access and also reduces space in the upstairs bed area. And yes, the kitchen table can convert into a bed, but then there isn't a kitchen table to use, so I'd like to avoid that if possible.

I've talked about this in the past with other friends who play the bass and had similar problems. One has gone to an EUB, another has gone to a stick bass, both using amps or plugging into sound systems. Both sound great on stage but neither can be used easily for jamming. And honestly, I want to bring the Alcoa.

I think our only option is to remove the upstairs bed. Can anyone else think of an option I haven't considered?
 
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Seems I remember storing my Kay across the passenger and driver's seats in our Class C we used to have. I think I put it in from inside the RV, reclining the back of the passenger seat just a bit to get it in there. Or, I might have put it in through the passenger door. Anyway, I carried it that way to a lot of festivals. When it came to guests, we lived by the old rule - drinks for eight, dinner for four, sleeps two. That was even when we were traveling in a 43' diesel pusher.
 
Seems I remember storing my Kay across the passenger and driver's seats in our Class C we used to have. I think I put it in from inside the RV, reclining the back of the passenger seat just a bit to get it in there. Or, I might have put it in through the passenger door. Anyway, I carried it that way to a lot of festivals. When it came to guests, we lived by the old rule - drinks for eight, dinner for four, sleeps two. That was even when we were traveling in a 43' diesel pusher.

I'll try that, thanks for suggesting it. Also, I had originally said ours was a Class B -- it's actually a Class C and I've edted the OP to reflect that. I always confuse those designations.
 
Ahh, cold and rain. Sometimes nature cooperates, sometimes not so much.

I take my family to an annual week long bluegrass festival as well.
The other thing we do is basically an outdoor kitchen, and rarely use the kitchen inside the camper, and leave the convertible booth as a bed.
Good size folding table, portable gazebo, camp stove, 5 gallon water jug. Though that stuff might take up more space than the instrument, but easier to pack and not delicate.
It does kind of defeat the purpose of the camper kitchen, a bit redundant.
But yeah if the weather is lousy, we end up in the camper anyway.
 
No advice for the RV, but don't get an EUB. I tried to love mine, but it's just not the same thing. The acoustic instruments are a big part of the appeal for that style of music, even if they are made from aluminum.

- Steve
 
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No advice for the RV, but don't get an EUB. I tried to love mine, but it's just not the same thing. The acoustic instruments are a big part of the appeal for that style of music, even if they are made from aluminum.

- Steve

Thanks for the thought, and yes, I'm also sold on acoustics at least for outside jamming. We'll figure out something and keep using the Alcoa.
 
Seems I remember storing my Kay across the passenger and driver's seats in our Class C we used to have. I think I put it in from inside the RV, reclining the back of the passenger seat just a bit to get it in there. Or, I might have put it in through the passenger door. ...

So I just checked this in our RV (without the bass though)... I think it might just work.

The driver and passenger side doors don't open far, so I might need to put it in thorugh the cabin... But basically the body of the bass sits on the passenger seat, player side down on the seat with the bridge facing toward the back of the seat. The neck runs at an angle through the cab behind the driver seat and waves around freely inside the cabin. This would be after we're settled in for camping, so there is no worry about the bass shifting with driving.

Once we're camped I ususally store the smaller instruments in the cab; a banjo or two, a guitar or two and a mandolin or two... I'll have to see where they can go while the bass is in the cab.

I'll have to try this with the actual bass asap... But it looks like it may be a good option. Thanks again!
 
I agree. Certain circles any amp is a major offense. :bag::blackeye:

Yup. I'm fairly open minded for other people/performers. I've really enjoyed some electric basses on stage. But for myself, I prefer acoustic instruments for bluegrass.

That said, this Alcoa was plugged into the sound system for our Sunday on-stage performances (with wing and fingerboard mounted piezos) as was my wife's guitar (bridge piezo), but I instructed the sound guy that we didn't want the bass to sound boomy or either instrument to sound at all overwhelming; voices come first... And he did a good job. (And yes, I always just use a mic on stage with my banjo.)
 
... I have to say that I was a little self-concious having a hot rodded Alcoa bass among so many "respectable" wooden basses in a bluegrass environment. But lots of people came up to me and up to our bass player with positive comments and questions about what this strange bass was and what its history was about. Acceptance on stage by the audience was no problem because it sounded so good, and acceptance in jams was equally complete. I even had a few people ask if it was for sale.

As for acceptance of tone, I have to point strongly to the SBW Deluxe strings... They're excellent acoustically among so many other acoustic instruments and their gut-like tone tends to overcome metalic tone even if the instrument is hit hard... And through the piezos on stage the Deluxe strings are actually remarkable -- even the relatively quiet E string comes out strong through the piezos and there's no sign of metalic tone including with arco. This Alcoa has had quite a few sound related mods too so that may also be part of the equation.
 
I was at the festival, it was freezing cold Friday and Saturday night!

[Edit: Evan, you taught a bass seminar at the Bakersfield/Great48 festival in January, didn't you? Great seminar, I really appreciated your pointers!]

Re: Cold: Yes, it was... There was frost on the ground Sunday morning and it was really cold -- probably about 45 to 50 degrees -- inside the stadium for our show at 10am on Sunday morning -- finger freeze. I wished I had brought some of our propane heaters to the stage. The temperatures for our show at 3pm were much better. We were pretty happy with both shows though.

We arrived on Friday afternoon and jammed Friday night until it got too cold -- probably 8:30 or so. I played bass for the jamming so that was fun. We spent Saturday night warm inside our fiddler's trailer practicing for the Sunday sets.

We've come up with a solution for where to put the bass...

The idea of the front driver and passenger seats is a great idea and it might work for us with the bass, but that area is where we store everything else when we're camping, like all the other instruments, so we've decided to continue doing that. Also, the front doors just don't open wide enough to put the bass in that way, and with the upstairs extension in place, it's hard to get the bass into the cab area from the cabin.

What we've done is remove about 8" of foam padding sheets from the bed upstairs, and transplanted it to the master bed (which is wider so it amounts to about 6" of extra foam padding over the master bed), so now we can store the bass easily anywhere upstairs out of the way, or if we want to we can put the bass on the kitchen table and can still sleep someone upstairs if the situation comes up (albeit with less foam padding). Essentially we have better choices this way -- potentially, someone could even sleep upstairs with the bass if needed.

In the mean time the master bed has about 10" of foam padding sheets on it, which really pleases my wife.
 
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We've gone both years, camping, jamming and playing on stage... Last year was much nicer weather and that helped the festival for its first year... From talking with folks who ran the festival, I'm sure there have been lessons learned this year, weather related things that will be changed next year.

The onstage lineup has been extremely good both years. We'll probably go again next year, whether we play on stage or not. Playing on stage is icing on the cake for us -- we love to go to festivals primarily for jamming, enjoying some shows, enjoying camping and being around friends.

And this year, with the weather the way it was, we learned about bass storage in our RV. :roflmao:
 
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Hmmm, I'm not quite ready to do that with this bass, I've just got it setup like I like it, and have pretty well made it mine. With that I still have somewhat of an emotional attachment to it I guess.

I do routinely lend it to my band's bass player to play while we're practicing or doing a show. He's very responsible about it and also I'm going to be around it when he's playing it in case there are any questions about it. And frankly I really like to hear him play it. But I'm not ready to lend it out to people I don't know as well.

All in all, now that we've firgured out how and where to fit it in the RV, I'd much rather transport this bass around so I can use it myself.
 

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