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Fingered in the mud.

matty4string

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Hey guys when I started playing bass. I came from an acoustic guitar background. Playing with a pick has always felt natural, and I got a good tone doing so on the bass. I run fender jazz basses a tech 21 sans Pedal and a 15w combo amp when in my room practicing. When I try to practice finger style everything sounds muddy, anything I'm doing wrong Settings or gear wise?
 
So many possibilities. Almost Every step in the signal chain could be an offending party.

Fingers. Rub, don't thwack the strings.
Bass. Adjust tone or active EQ for best sound.
Pedal. Adjust settings for best sound.
15 watt combo amp. The most likely culprit. Take your bass to a music store and listen to your finger style playing on a professional amp.
 
All settings being equal, a pick tone and finger playing are just going to sound different from each other, fingers typically being a darker, more "round" tone. The exact nature of the tonal difference depends on your finger-style technique, and some finger techniques can actually result in a fairly aggressive, bright tone (think Entwistle).

Speaking for myself, I play about 50/50 using both pick and "typical" finger-style techniques, and use the same bass and same amp tone settings for everything. I think that you'll get a number of varying opinions as to how to go about reckoning the difference in tone and dynamics. The first place you might want to look is with the tone settings on your bass. Add brightness when finger playing, and vice versa when pick playing. Or, roll back the bass if finger-style is too dark.
 
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I run fender jazz basses a tech 21 sans Pedal and a 15w combo amp when in my room practicing. When I try to practice finger style everything sounds muddy, anything I'm doing wrong Settings or gear wise?

Can I assume by "tech 21 sans Pedal" you mean the basic SasAmp Bass Driver DI?

When I acquired the VT Bass DI about a year ago, I had a chance to do an A/B comparison between the two. I was rather shocked to discover how scooped the default EQ curve on the BDDI actually was. With the BLEND knob anywhere past 2:00 and both BASS and TREBLE at noon, it was pure mud and mush in comparison to the punch and clarity I got out of the VTB even with the BLEND knob turned all the way up.

You might want to try keeping BLEND at noon and BASS & TREBLE at 11:00. Or, even better - upgrade to the VT Bass DI.
 
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In the 70's and 80's I used a pick. Our bands were loud, with no instrument PA support. I used a pick because I got more consistent punch and volume that cut through the band. By the 90's my bands had greater control over volume and I learned to use fingers.

Today I play 95% fingers. If I need more high end, I bounce the side of my thumb. A few songs still work better with a pick but few.

Compared to the 70's, our sonic landscape is more controlled, with more dynamics, and less clutter. We are better players, using better equipment. Experience in playing and in making amp and speaker choices has come a long way.

In the 70's I competed with two guitar players using 100 watt amps and 6X10 bottoms. Today my competition is an 18 watt Ampeg combo (which still CAN be too loud at times.) In the 70's I started with 100 watts and ended up with 300. Today I use 500 but with fewer (and better) speakers. I don't need four 15's anymore.
 
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I can barely remember the last time I used a pick. I did it a couple times on studio gigs that needed the zing of a picked attack, and maybe three times on gigs, but that's it. It's a great sound, but fingerstyle was always my personal perference. There is little hope of getting your fingertips to produce a truly pick-ish attack, but you can meet in the middle and get something that's in a ballpark with the old felt picks...anybody remember those? They were thuddy, but with a decidedly more pronounced attack than fingers alone. And I'm saying "were" as if they no longer exist - they probably do, I just haven't owned one in about three and a half decades. I digress.

Move your picking hand toward the bridge, and don't bother being gentle. Dig in and find the spot that gives you a big, throaty, percussive tone at about the same volume as you usually get from playing more gently but further away from the bridge (the "round" zone). You can practice and tighten your finger technique in that sweet spot and get an array of very percussive tones. I have used that approach to get through stage mixes without any other adjustments, and other times it just works well stylistically. It'll never give you the crisp attack of a pick, but it does lend a lot of definition to finger work.
 

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