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First Bass Lesson -- and perhaps the last

That teacher is a dick. Find another one.

I would even go so far as to say you should go back over there and demand your money back. Tell the owner of the place the way he treated you. I doubt he knows. That guy shouldn't be allowed to teach anyone.
 
That teacher is a dick. Find another one.

I would even go so far as to say you should go back over there and demand your money back. Tell the owner of the place the way he treated you. I doubt he knows. That guy shouldn't be allowed to teach anyone.
Most music stores couldn't give a crap. They usually just rent out a room to whatever teacher wants it and take a cut of the lesson.
 
ive tried it myself a couple of times over the years and dragged the ex's brood to lessons and what ive noticed is that most are;

set up for young beginners who quickly tire of it and realize that the hour a day practice time squeezed in between soccer and homework cuts into the hanging out with friends time too much....these teachers just resign themselves to putting in the time like any other job.....some of these guys could be great teachers if they found a motivated student or two

not set up for adult types that have done some work and are willing to spend the time....i took some fairly difficult charts i was working on to a local guy who plays out regularly and that i thought could sight it down before breakfast but he looked at it like it was chinese......i never went back

really good players that cannot relate to someone who doesn't get it as fast as they did or learns things a different way than their method...the student just gets frustrated.......

young guys doing the band thing and not really focused on teaching.....i used to pay a drum teacher because the kid thought he was cool and just wanted to hang with a rock star while the drums gathered dust......i cut that off after a while but if the guy had told me that junior was never prepared i coulda saved some money......

sometimes the nerdy guy with the bow tie or the guy you might not consider because, he is older,or plays in genres you might not care for, is the guy that would take the time to set you up with a realistic lesson plan and teach you what you want to know and more importantly what you need to know........
 
sorry, but I find this very amusing....lol, .... this guy pulls out tabs for lowrider, and then critisize (sp) you bass for not being $1000 +??
I say this teacher is in desparate need of a teacher...

Lots of on line lessons and vids over on youtube, keep you busy for days...
Do a search for bass guitar lessons.....

I am not saying a real live teacher is not required, do search for a good one to help with technique and such, but better to have no teacher, than a teacher like that...

good luck

ed
 
Of course I didn't think that was typical. I understand a little bit about music, having played several instruments throughout my early years. I hadn't had a face-to-face music lesson in a few years (as in over 30), but I know I did not learn as much as I thought I would. I left this dude a few weeks ago and will not go back.

For those of you who can remember your first lessons, what did you cover at first? Scales? Basic technique? How to actually hold the instrument?

Well, this is a good one for me, since I DO remember my first lessons. Mainly because it was only a few months ago. (I had been self-learning prior to that, but only for a month or so.)

I have a drumming background, so I understand a FEW things about music, but mainly rhythmically.

First things my teacher did was watch me play for a minute or 2. He then gave me pointers on right hand technique and (A BUNCH OF) simple exercises, and I mean SIMPLE, like, "alternating first and middle fingers, play 4 notes on the open E string. Then 4 on the A. Then 4 on D. Then 4 on G. Then back down each string." He told me everything about how my fingers should move. This is all w/o a metronome; the idea is to get my fingers used to moving. He corrected where my hand was, where my fingers hit the strings, everything. Also on day one, he gave me the name of a guy to help me setup my bass. And, how I should wear it and hold it.

Later lessons focused on the left hand and how IT should move, and some simple exercises for that.

Only then did we move into any sort of real music, and he has 4 major sub-categories; scales and chords, "reading", styles, and fitness. The exercises mentioned above are in the fitness part.

We do a little of a couple of those sections each week. I play very little while I'm there, other than for him to check progress. He asks if I have questions, go over those, and if I'm ready to move on in a section, we move on. If not, we don't. We don't hit every section every week. He lets me drive in terms of where I want to focus during the lesson. It boils down to, "Do you understand what you are supposed to do?", "Do you think you are ready to move on?", and "What do you want to focus on today?" The answers (and me proving my "ready to move on" answer) determine the lesson for the week. He doesn't let me skip stuff though; if I'm not ready for something, we'll work on the fundamentals or prerequisites until I am.

As a rank beginner, I'm overwhelmed, but he is AWESOME; sounds like just the opposite of the guy you got.

We recently got into scales. If you read Pacman's sure-fire scale exercise thread, that's where we started (I got lucky; the guy who taught Pacman that method is the same guy I'm taking lessons from). So, really before I understood much of what I was practicing, I was able to play basically every major scale, starting from any note IN that scale. I'm now learning a little about modes and have added the Major Pentatonic and Dorian scales.

The reading part is basically putting the right notes to the right frets. He also has a separate track of rhythm reading, but since I was a reading drummer years ago, I'm a bit ahead on that part compared to where I am everywhere else.

The styles part he's started me off with blues, and I'm learning a few simple songs; one's a 1-4-5 12 bar blues thing, and I just started another one that sounds a bit like "The Thrill is Gone". The idea here isn't to learn the songs, as such, but to get practice at playing SOMETHING other than scales and exercises. He gives me fingerings and I learn them. He (slowly) asks me to improvise here and there and gives me pointers on that.

One of his big rules is that there are no absolutes in music. We discuss something, even as simple as how high on my body to wear the bass, then we discuss alternatives. I'm taking his advice 100% since I don't know any better yet, but he is totally open to exploring other ways of doing anything. I don't know the rules enough to break them yet.

You didn't say where you were, but if you are in the Atlanta area, his name is Russ Rodgers and teaches out of the Roswell area. (http://russrodgersbassguitar.com/)
 
You want to suss out whether a teacher is going to be good? You can't tell for sure until you get into a lesson, but you can get a good idea with two questions:

1. Do you read music?

2. Do you stress good technique as taught in top music schools?

I personally would never pay for lessons unless the teacher answered yes to these questions.
 
That's not very cool. I had similar experience (piano, trumpet, french horn) before I took my first lesson. I bought a bass and found an online bass lesson place that was really good (and free).
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Once I started making noise that sound like a bass and not like a dying moose, I figured I should find a teacher before I developed any bad habits.
I was lucky to find a local guy who is a worship leader (which is what I bought the bass to do) and he adapted the lessons to match my needs.
I am still not especially smitten with tabs but I have real music at home that I self-study so it is all good.
You should ditch that "teacher" and find another IMHO.
Good luck.
 
You want to suss out whether a teacher is going to be good? You can't tell for sure until you get into a lesson, but you can get a good idea with two questions:

1. Do you read music?

2. Do you stress good technique as taught in top music schools?

I personally would never pay for lessons unless the teacher answered yes to these questions.
exactly,and in a mad rush to get the student playing quickly a lot of the important stuff is ignored......perhaps all those boring exercises weren't as pointless as i once thought and at the very least separated those who had the tenacity to stick it out from the dreamers......
 
exactly,and in a mad rush to get the student playing quickly a lot of the important stuff is ignored......perhaps all those boring exercises weren't as pointless as i once thought and at the very least separated those who had the tenacity to stick it out from the dreamers......
Yeah, that's called "letting the student dictate the lessons." So many students take a lesson or two with the expectation that they're going to learn how to play their favorite Tool song in a week. And there are lots of teachers more than willing to accomodate. Meanwhile the teacher who tells the impatient kid to shut up and listen for once in his life is the teacher they should be going to if they want to play that Tool song properly.
 
Jimmy, believe it or not, IMHO, if a student fails to learn, it is MY fault. The level of application and commitment is easily factored into teaching. "Shutup" is not in my method, though I get your point. :eyebrow:

Yeah, that's called "letting the student dictate the lessons." So many students take a lesson or two with the expectation that they're going to learn how to play their favorite Tool song in a week. And there are lots of teachers more than willing to accomodate. Meanwhile the teacher who tells the impatient kid to shut up and listen for once in his life is the teacher they should be going to if they want to play that Tool song properly.
 
Jimmy, believe it or not, IMHO, if a student fails to learn, it is MY fault. The level of application and commitment is easily factored into teaching. "Shutup" is not in my method, though I get your point. :eyebrow:
LOL! Well it's not in mine either, but you got the idea. I don't know if I would take the blame for a kid with impatience issues not learning, but I see your point there that it's important to make it fun for the students and try to make them want to learn.
 
Jimmy, believe it or not, IMHO, if a student fails to learn, it is MY fault. The level of application and commitment is easily factored into teaching. "Shutup" is not in my method, though I get your point. :eyebrow:

+1 A good teacher accepts the responsibility for his students at some level. As the student does not know what right or wrong , good or bad, about bass playing it is the teacher job to make positive decisions on how the student will learn best..not always an easy task.

A good teacher will leave you inspired with the potential you have in the subject and a willingness and want to explore it.