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Fodera Emperor Standard 5 comments

Actually, we called them "Standard" simply because we got to choose the specs and they weren't custom...

Cheers,

J


I am glad that Fodera came with the Standard series; it was the only way for me to own one. They may be called standards but it sure doesn’t look that way, their tops and the bodies have different look in every bass. I think the only thing that makes this bass a standard compare to others is the head stock and the Fret board. This is just me. I already updated mine from a 3 band EQ to a 4 band EQ and that bass rocks.
 
tell us about the new preamp??? Is it totally new or does Mike Pope sell the 2 mid option as after market??? I recently ordered the 4 string sibling of the bass which has the monarch profile which i prefer.

PS +1000 on the US Military. You guys are the real heros and totally unappreciated....
 
These Emperor Standards are beautiful, but I believe my technique and chops are not developed enough or clean enough to get the most out of one. I know a Fodera can be used for anything, but they have unreal clarity and a sweet high end that is ideal for solos or bass melodies. I know I would get better use out of a bass with a more meat and potatoes tone.
 
tell us about the new preamp??? Is it totally new or does Mike Pope sell the 2 mid option as after market??? I recently ordered the 4 string sibling of the bass which has the monarch profile which i prefer.

PS +1000 on the US Military. You guys are the real heros and totally unappreciated....

I appreciated your support on the military. I think you are talking about the Stack Hi/Low mid pod that I install in the already standard preamp. I tell you it was the best decision I ever made. I have a lot more flexibility in the sound now.
 
Hi Folks

Has anyone here strung their ES5 E to C?
If so, how does the C string sound, and what's the string spacing like for chord work? I do a lot of chord work and have even done solo gigs with just bass (and my vocals).

When I am able to afford a Fodera, it's most likely going to have to be an ES5 due to the price, even though a MG5 would no doubt be far closer to my ideal.

Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated.
 
Hi Folks

Has anyone here strung their ES5 E to C?
If so, how does the C string sound, and what's the string spacing like for chord work? I do a lot of chord work and have even done solo gigs with just bass (and my vocals).

When I am able to afford a Fodera, it's most likely going to have to be an ES5 due to the price, even though a MG5 would no doubt be far closer to my ideal.

Any suggestions here would be greatly appreciated.

I found this video on YouTube a guy playing a E5S strung E to C. It sound awesome.


 
I found this video on YouTube a guy playing a E5S strung E to C. It sound awesome.




Thanks Otto B.
You're right. Great tone in that clip.
Wish a couple of higher notes on the C string had been played, although from the high notes I did hear, there was no evidence of notes thinning out. Sounds promising.

I'm one of those players that use all the frets and wish there were a few more than 24 at times. (I play jazz mostly these days).
Any one else on this thread had any experience with the ES5 strung this way - particularly for playing chords?

I'm VERY far from the nearest Fodera dealer so there's no hope of me trying one out, unfortunately.
 
Anyone else receive a E5S lately or having one delivered soon?

I am still 6-8 weeks away.:p

So I have had my E5S for 6 months now and I still can't walk by it without picking it up. Incredible bass. I still love it and it is basically all I gig. In fact, I sold 2 Modulus, a Spector and MTD (both American) and a MIA Fender to fund a Fodera custom build.

Also, I briefly strung mine E-C. It sounded pretty good considering E-G were Fodera light steels (.040-.100) and the C was a D'Addario steel .028-ish. The 19mm spacing would not be my first choice for chording though. Personally, I like 17.5-ish for chord work. In any case, the E5S sounded good, played good... but I would prefer a thinner spacing Fodera though.
 
I’m thinking seriously about purchasing an E5S and thought it might be interesting to consolidate all the info I could find regarding this instrument into one post.

(I'm no longer thinking about purchasing... I now own one!)

What I’ve included here only pertains to the Emperor 5 Standard, and not the Emperor 5 Standard Special that was just recently announced.

First off, the standard specs:

  • Neck: 1-pc. Hard rock maple (quartersawn)
  • Neck construction: Bolt-on
  • Fingerboard: Pau Ferro
  • Fingerboard inlay: Mother-of-pearl dots
  • Scale: 34”
  • Frets: 24 large frets
  • Nut: Brass
  • Strings: Fodera 45-125 stainless steel strings
  • Body: Ash (medium weight)
  • Top: Bi-color 5A flame maple
  • Peghead: Fodera 2+3
  • Finish: Hand-rubbed acrylic lacquer
  • Tuners: Gotoh
  • Bridge: Fodera non-locking (19.0mm spacing)
  • Hardware color:
    o Gold = bridge, tuners, string tree, output jack and strap pins.
    o Black = preamp control knobs and pickups.
  • Electronics: Fodera/Pope Standard 3-Band
  • Pickups: Fodera Dual Coils
  • Strap pins: Dunlop Flush mount straploks
Other info has come to light thanks to some of you who have posted in other threads. The following is what I’ve gathered.


Preamp
The control layout for the preamp is:

  • Volume/Tone (stack)
  • Pup Blend
  • Treble/Bass (stack)
  • Mids (low mids pot - thanks, Baird6869)
  • Active/Passive toggle switch
  • Coil Split toggle switch
    (Some call it coil tap, but apparently the two terms are not synonymous and coil split more accurately describes the function of the switch.
    See the linked Fender document for details: Invalid Link Removed)
fodera_e5s_controls.jpg


Mike Pope (preamp creator) sells a dual mids (stacked low mids/hi mids) pot that is an easy DIY install plug and play modification turning the preamp into a 4 band configuration. Mike Pope says the install only takes a couple of minutes to do and is as easy as changing batteries.
It was posted that the stack Hi Mid/Low Mid control knob for this modification can be obtained from Fodera.
Also available is a hi mids pot.
Since there is only one hole in the body of the bass for the mids portion of the preamp, only one pot; low mid only, dual mids (stacked low mids/hi mids) or hi mids only can be used on the bass at any one time.
Here is a link to Michael Pope's web site for further info regarding the preamp and all of the options available: http://www.michaelpopedesign.com/

The frequencies and center points of the preamp are as follows:
Bass +/- 12dB @ 46Hz or 90Hz
Lo Mid +/- 12dB @ 330Hz or 473Hz
Hi Mid +/- 15dB @ 1kHz or 1.8kHz <-- relevant only if the change to a dual mids pot is made as noted above
Treble +/- 15dB @ 6kHz or 10kHz​


Headstock
The E5S&#8217; headstock is straight (as opposed to angled) and uses a string tree to add the proper tension and avoid string vibration passed the nut for the E and A strings. The flat headstock allows for the use of one piece of Maple for the neck billet without any glue-up. This method of construction saves a significant amount of time and labor. With the string tree properly in place there is plenty of string tension and the bass plays beautifully.


Neck
According to Jason, the E5S&#8217; neck has a compound radius fingerboard. Since they are hand sanded, they will vary slightly, but generally they are roughly 9" at the nut and 18" at the 24th.

Jason explains further&#8230;
The advantage (of a compound radius fingerboard) playability-wise really happens in the upper finger positions (say north of the 14-16th frets) where the natural shape of your playing hand starts to change and a flatter board is better suited to that shape...plus if you execute bends in that region of the fingerboard, a compound radius allows this technique to be executed cleaner.

Regarding one piece vs. 3 (or more) and quarter sawn, Jason says:
Tonally there is no difference between a one piece and three piece neck...at least that we have been able to discern. Same thing for the tonal difference between flat and quarter sawn material...no difference in tone.

In terms of stability, quarter sawn material is more dimensionally stable and less prone to movement, warping, flexing, twisting, etc. We use flat sawn maple on the YYS and quarter sawn on the E5S because of the greater forces in play on a 5-string vs. 4-string neck. Quarter sawn material costs significantly more.

Graphite reinforcement(s) are not used in any Fodera necks. Vinny and Joey experimented a bit with graphite reinforced necks, but they never made it into production as neither felt that the change in tone was worth the potential additional stability.


Fingerboard
Pau Ferro will be the only material offered on this model (at least for the first 60). However, this is not just any Pau Ferro... this has all been in the shop for at least 20 years and it is a FANTASTIC material. Tonally it's like splitting the difference between Indian Rosewood and Ebony.

Jason says: Pau Ferro is an incredibly under-respected FB material. It's easy to work, has its own look and sounds wonderfully balanced and rich. In working through our initial designs for the E5S, we fought the urge to choose one of the more "popular" FB materials because we knew that Pau Ferro would perfectly round out the tone of the E5S.

When asked about the difference between Maple and Pau Ferro as a finderboard wood, Jason responded:
After listening to two basses (an Emperor II Custom with a Maple fretboard and an E5S with Pau Ferro) side by side all day at the 2011 Bass Player Live event, I would have to say that the Pau Ferro has a more expansive tonal range...both deeper and brighter at the same time, while the Maple tends to be more focused in the upper mids and highs (but not as crystalline as the Pau Ferro's highs...the Maple's high come across as more rounded).
FWIW, Joey, Vinny and I all describe Pau Ferro's tone as a hypothetical blend of Indian Rosewood and Ebony.


Pickups
The E5S pickups are 60&#8217;s wound and 70&#8217;s spaced.


Instrument weight
I&#8217;ve seen info from various sources that indicates the weight of E5S&#8217;s varies from 9 to 10 lb. My E5S weighs 9lb 15oz.

Jason&#8217;s take on the E5S&#8217; sound as compared to an Emperor Deluxe:
The E5S&#8217; are wonderfully punchy and rich sounding. When building these we were going for a very well rounded sounding instrument...one that could be taken out on 99% of the gigs any player would realistically go out on.
As a bolt-on it has a bit more punch than does a Deluxe with the same woods, but to notice that you'd really need to play them both side by side.
Between the wood selection, the dual coil pups and the preamp, there are a ton of great, useable tones available. We would stack this up side by side tonally with ANY Fodera 5-string and be very confident that it will hold its own and make the person playing it grin.


Factory changes
The E5S may be ordered with all-black hardware (black tuners, black string tree, black bridge and black output jack).


Please let me know if I've made in errors and/or post any further info that you might have&#8230;

Thanks,
Allen
 
Mike Pope (preamp creator) sells a dual mids pot that is an easy DIY install plug and play modification turning the preamp into a 4 band configuration. Mike Pope says the install only takes a couple of minutes to do and is as easy as changing batteries.
It was posted that the stack Hi Mid/Low Mid control knob for this modification can be obtained from Fodera.

Great info Allen. Thanks for spending the time to consolidate.:)

I installed the dual mid pot and it is honestly stupidly simple to install. It took me 14 minutes (I timed it) and that is with removing the bass/treble pot as I wanted to confirm that I installed the mid cables properly.

No soldering, just plug it in and you are done. Also, completely reversible.

Lastly, the bass ships with a low mid pot installed. A high mid pot is also an option (I have all 3 and prefer the dual).

As you mentioned, Fodera or Pope can sell you the pots (and knobs if you go stacked).
 
Hi Baird6869,
Thanks for the additional info on the mids pots. After reading your post, I went over to Mike Pope's site and took a look at the Flex Core info and it made a lot more sense.
It was also not clear (to me) that the E5S shipped with a low mids pot, so thanks for that.

BTW - as I looked at Mike's site I notice that the dual mids pot was very inexpensive. This coupled with the ease of installation should be something every owner and potential owner of an E5S should consider.

Thanks again,
Allen
 
Well done. All looks right to me!

J

I’m thinking seriously about purchasing an E5S and thought it might be interesting to consolidate all the info I could find regarding this instrument into one post.

What I’ve included here only pertains to the Emperor 5 Standard, and not the Emperor 5 Standard Special that was just recently announced.

First off, the standard specs:

  • Neck: 1-pc. Hard rock maple (quartersawn)
  • Neck construction: Bolt-on
  • Fingerboard: Pau Ferro
  • Fingerboard inlay: Mother-of-pearl dots
  • Scale: 34”
  • Frets: 24 large frets
  • Nut: Brass
  • Strings: Fodera 45-125 stainless steel strings
  • Body: Ash (medium weight)
  • Top: Bi-color 5A flame maple
  • Peghead: Fodera 2+3
  • Finish: Hand-rubbed acrylic lacquer
  • Tuners: Gotoh
  • Bridge: Fodera non-locking (19.0mm spacing)
  • Hardware color: Gold = bridge, tuners, string tree and output jack. Black = preamp control knobs and pickups.
  • Electronics: Fodera/Pope Standard 3-Band
  • Pickups: Fodera Dual Coils
  • Strap pins: Dunlop Flush mount straploks
Other info has come to light thanks to some of you who have posted in other threads. Here’s what I’ve gathered:

The control layout for the preamp is:

  • Volume/Tone (stack)
  • Pup Blend
  • Treble/Bass (stack)
  • Mids (low mids pot - thanks, Baird6869)
  • Active/Passive toggle switch
  • Coil Split toggle switch
    (Some call it coil tap, but apparently the two terms are not synonymous and coil split more accurately describes the function of the switch.
    See the linked Fender document for details: Invalid Link Removed)

Mike Pope (preamp creator) sells a dual mids (stacked low mids/hi mids) pot that is an easy DIY install plug and play modification turning the preamp into a 4 band configuration. Mike Pope says the install only takes a couple of minutes to do and is as easy as changing batteries.
It was posted that the stack Hi Mid/Low Mid control knob for this modification can be obtained from Fodera.
Also available is a hi mids pot.
Since there is only one hole in the body of the bass for the mids portion of the preamp, only one pot; low mid only, dual mids (stacked low mids/hi mids) or hi mids only can be used on the bass at any one time.
Here is a link to Michael Pope's web site for further info regarding the preamp and all of the options available: http://www.michaelpopedesign.com/


Neck:
According to Jason, the E5S neck has a compound radius fingerboard. Since they are hand sanded, they will vary slightly, but generally they are roughly 9" at the nut and 18" at the 24th.

Jason explains further…
The advantage (of a compound radius fingerboard) playability-wise really happens in the upper finger positions (say north of the 14-16th frets) where the natural shape of your playing hand starts to change and a flatter board is better suited to that shape...plus if you execute bends in that region of the fingerboard, a compound radius allows this technique to be executed cleaner.


Pickups:
The E5S pickups are 60’s wound and 70’s spaced.


Instrument weight:
I’ve seen info from various sources that indicates the weight of E5S’s varies from 9 to 10 lb.


Factory changes:
The E5S may be ordered with all-black hardware (black tuners, black string tree, black bridge and black output jack).


Please let me know if I've made in errors and/or post any further info that you might have…

Thanks,
Allen
 
I would like to hear opinions about the new Fodera Standard line basses?

I had always wanted a Fodera; however the military don&#8217;t pay me enough for me to buy a custom made Fodera. (They should since I almost lost my life 3 times in Iraq). Anyway I am glad they came out with this line of Brooklyn made Foderas. I was able to acquire a Fodera Emperor Standard 5. I love the sound and the feel, awesome bass. Now I know why people always comment greatly about this basses.

There is not that many comments about the Standard line but one comment took me for surprise, when they were compare to a $3000 bass, for example the Roscoe bass. Don&#8217;t get me wrong the Roscoes are really nice basses, but it shouldn&#8217;t be compared to a Fodera. Now that I am finally a Fodera Owner I agree that there is no comparison to any other basses.

As a former Fodera owner (and also growing up and playing for decades in St. Louis... the second home of Fodera... I've played dozens) and now a new Roscoe owner (their top of the in Signature model), I don't think I've ever disagreed more with a statement on Talkbass.

Both fantastic instruments, and IMO regarding quality of components, fit and finish, woodworking, nice customized electronics, etc., etc., my Signature is every bit of everything compared to my Emperor Elite 5 that I played for years. I do agree the Roscoe Signature Series (about $4,500 loaded) is an amazing good deal if you like the Roscoe tone and feel.

Of course, very different feel and tonality due to voicing, standard pickup placement, string spacing, neck profile, body style etc.

IMO and a IME on this one. Once you get up to this level (I include MTD's also), the 'better or worse' thing becomes meaningless. Unfortunately, if you want one of the wonderful Fodera basses, you will need to pay a lot. Everything I've heard about the Standards has been positive, and that is a nice way to get into a Fodera a bit quicker on wait time, and with the money you save versus a full custom, you can buy a Roscoe to just have around :-)
 
Great info Allen. Thanks for spending the time to consolidate.:)

I installed the dual mid pot and it is honestly stupidly simple to install. It took me 14 minutes (I timed it) and that is with removing the bass/treble pot as I wanted to confirm that I installed the mid cables properly.

No soldering, just plug it in and you are done. Also, completely reversible.

Lastly, the bass ships with a low mid pot installed. A high mid pot is also an option (I have all 3 and prefer the dual).

As you mentioned, Fodera or Pope can sell you the pots (and knobs if you go stacked).

I did the same on my old E5S. I change the Mid pod to a dual mid pod and it was amazing, having the ability to adjust the Hi-mids and Low-Mids separately. The bass became extremely versatile. I would recommend the change if you own an E5S. I no longer have the E5S because I wanted to go to a custom, so now I have one of the trios Monarch.