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Food, Fat, Obesity and Airplanes - a question

#141
spade2you said:
That you think you're a lot healthier than you are.
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Healthy is as healthy does.

Did you know that 3.5 million children get injured each year just being healthy enough to engage in recreational activities[1]? What do you propose we do to save them from themselves? That would clear a lot more hospitals than smoking restrictions.

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#142
DeluxeRed said:
Healthy is as healthy does.

Did you know that 3.5 million children get injured each year just being healthy enough to engage in recreational activities[1]? What do you propose we do to save them from themselves? That would clear a lot more hospitals than smoking restrictions.

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So, kids should be smoking instead, but avoid activity and potatoes?

It's MAH right?
 
#144
DeluxeRed said:
Well, it appears that would save the children, doesn't it? Which is my whole point: it is ridiculous to let someone else make that decision for you (or your kids), especially a political body. For whatever reason.
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It is twice as ridiculous that people can't come to make the right decision on their own. Eventually, The Man steps in for this exact reason.

Given the medioce overall health of my company's staff, they began offering wellness incentives. While I'm not a huge fan of my company having all of my health info, I'm being compensated by ~40% reduction in my health insurance cost with no loss of benefits. I'm also able to earn points that can count towards paid days off that don't come out of my vacation time. Let's just say, the only ones complaining about their rights wouldn't have won anyway, other than being a legend in their own mind.
 
#145
spade2you said:
It is twice as ridiculous that people can't come to make the right decision on their own. Eventually, The Man steps in for this exact reason.

Given the medioce overall health of my company's staff, they began offering wellness incentives. While I'm not a huge fan of my company having all of my health info, I'm being compensated by ~40% reduction in my health insurance cost with no loss of benefits. I'm also able to earn points that can count towards paid days off that don't come out of my vacation time. Let's just say, the only ones complaining about their rights wouldn't have won anyway, other than being a legend in their own mind.
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Who says anyone has to make a "right" decision? Don't people have the right to be wrong? And who gets to decide what is "right"? The Man is You and Me.

The rest of that just tells me that some people's freedoms CAN be bought.
 
#146
DeluxeRed said:
Let me help, then: I oppose laws that impose someone else's idea of a "healthy" lifestyle. Whether that's drug laws or helmet laws or smoking laws or food restrictions. I'm ok with laws that keep you from doing something to me, or me doing something to you. I'm against the ones that keep me from doing something to me or you from doing something to you. Capiche?
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Have you ever flown a flight more than 10 hours sitting bitch between two fat people spilling over into your seat? I have, worse flight of my life. Flying to England. This was before the two seat law. How do you feel about paying for the health care of the the dude that ate himself into disability and type II diabetes? How do you feel about paying for the hospital care that keeps the dumba$$ that decided to ride his motorcycle without a helmet on life support indefinitely? Or how do you feel about paying for the cancer treatment on a patient that has lung cancer and heart disease from smoking? It's all cool when you're healthy, but when these guys do these things without insurance, why do I have to pay for it? You're stance is cool with me, if the person is properly insured and or signed some kind of waver that keeps him from receiving my tax money for their lifestyle choice.
 
#149
MakiSupaStar said:
Have you ever flown a flight more than 10 hours sitting bitch between two fat people spilling over into your seat? I have, worse flight of my life. Flying to England. This was before the two seat law. How do you feel about paying for the health care of the the dude that ate himself into disability and type II diabetes? How do you feel about paying for the hospital care that keeps the dumba$$ that decided to ride his motorcycle without a helmet on life support indefinitely? Or how do you feel about paying for the cancer treatment on a patient that has lung cancer and heart disease from smoking? It's all cool when you're healthy, but when these guys do these things without insurance, why do I have to pay for it? You're stance is cool with me, if the person is properly insured and or signed some kind of waver that keeps him from receiving my tax money for their lifestyle choice.
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You're just falling for the "healthy" propaganda that the government is telling you and the anti-smoking propaganda by Washington DC, none of which can actually be proven.
 
#151
DeluxeRed said:
The rest of that just tells me that some people's freedoms CAN be bought.
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I know, I was so violated. I mean, they gave me a free exam, an extra day or two off per year, free resources if I wanted to improve my health, and had the nerve to charge me less on my health insurance. Shoot, with healthier (by different standards than yours, obivously), there would probably be people who are sick less often and thus more productive.

Have you ever heard of win:win?
 
#152
DeluxeRed said:
Nah. The point of most smoking restrictions is to try to get some politician re-elected. Beyond that, it doesn't matter. Either way, it is some government body deciding that I can't open a smoker's bar, that I can't work in a smoker's bar, and I can't patronize a smoker's bar. ALL of MY choices have been taken away. And the usual rational that is used is that the rest of you aren't smart enough to make that decision, either, so it has to be made for you, one size fits all. We will keep you all snuggly and warm, don't worry about a thing.
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i agree with just about everything you've said.
 
#153
spade2you said:
I know, I was so violated. I mean, they gave me a free exam, an extra day or two off per year, free resources if I wanted to improve my health, and had the nerve to charge me less on my health insurance. Shoot, with healthier (by different standards than yours, obivously), there would probably be people who are sick less often and thus more productive.

Have you ever heard of win:win?
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Did they require to you to it? Would you have lost your job if you hadn't? Or would you just have been paying the same rate?
 
#154
DeluxeRed said:
I think what a lot of it is is that Americans like to discriminate, and smokers and fat people are two of the few groups for which that is still allowed. Nothin' like pushing people around to make one feel important!
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DeluxeRed said:
Sure, you can ban French fries and cigarettes, as long as I can ban driving and skiing (we'll save >50,000 lives a year, and some of them are children!). Or, we can leave each other alone and leave government doing the few things it does well. I'm all for the latter.

I would be in hell if I had to eat some of the diets described here. You folks go for it, but leave me out of it and don't send your government thugs to force it on me. For any reason.
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Comparing smokers to groups that have been widely discriminated against in the past. Comparing smoking and driving as "lifestyle choices". You are severely lacking in perspective.
 
#155
sloasdaylight said:
Did they require to you to it? Would you have lost your job if you hadn't? Or would you just have been paying the same rate?
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It was 100% voluntary, with the exception of threatinging to fire us, kill our families, strip us of all freedom, and get microchipped.

Between the free exam, reduction in insurance rate, extra PTO, etc, you didn't need to do much to encourage participation.

There is no punishment, but a plethora of incentives to improve overall health.

The kicker is that I think the $ invested in this wellness program will probably generate healthier employees who don't call in sick all the time and reduce overall costs.
 
#156
spade2you said:
It was 100% voluntary, with the exception of threatinging to fire us, kill our families, strip us of all freedom, and get microchipped.

Between the free exam, reduction in insurance rate, extra PTO, etc, you didn't need to do much to encourage participation.

There is no punishment, but a plethora of incentives to improve overall health.

The kicker is that I think the $ invested in this wellness program will probably generate healthier employees who don't call in sick all the time and reduce overall costs.
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i think that's an excellent idea and wish more companies would follow suit.
 
#157
spade2you said:
It was 100% voluntary, with the exception of threatinging to fire us, kill our families, strip us of all freedom, and get microchipped.

Between the free exam, reduction in insurance rate, extra PTO, etc, you didn't need to do much to encourage participation.

There is no punishment, but a plethora of incentives to improve overall health.

The kicker is that I think the $ invested in this wellness program will probably generate healthier employees who don't call in sick all the time and reduce overall costs.
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Right, it was voluntary, it was not mandated. There is a massive difference between offering people incentives to get healthy, which is a fantastic idea, and mandating people's lives and habits, good and bad. If some one chooses to live a healthy life, then kudos to them. If some one doesn't, then that's their choice and I wish them well, but I, and many others, have a huge problem with other people dictating to us what we can and cannot do.
 
#158
First of all, being healthy is CHEAP. I know, because I am a college student and I live cheaper than all my friends. I am also extremely healthy and I eat great tasting food every day. I was at the Doc's today (getting a mole that changed colour checked out) and my blood pressure was 130/80 with a heart rate of 56bpm. I also workout 3+ days a week, run an average of 10km a week, have a body fat percentage around 7%, ect. You get the point. I do this all on less than $600 a month, including rent. Tell me that isn't cheap? Oh yeah, I eat 2700 calories a day on days that I work out and 2100 on days that I don't.

Sure, a gym membership costs $500 a year, but split that over 12 months and it costs $41.67 a month. Don't have the money to put it all out at once? Put the money away every month, all it takes is eating out one time less A MONTH. Cut out all sugars and salt from your diet and you will drop weight and that is a guarantee! I am mulling over the idea of writing a cookbook for college students about eating healthy on a budget, and this thread is really giving me some motivation for doing it.

As for fat people on a plane, they suck. I had to sit next to a fat guy on a flight from Ft McAllen to Huston (50 minutes) and it was the worst 50 minutes of my life. He was so fat that he pushed me into the seat next to me and I am not a big person (5'10" 158lbs). Tell me that guy isn't effecting my life by being fat? Sorry, I have little tolerance for people like that. Stop eating crap and you will be skinnier, it isn't that hard to figure out.

lowsound
 
#159
sloasdaylight said:
Right, it was voluntary, it was not mandated. There is a massive difference between offering people incentives to get healthy, which is a fantastic idea, and mandating people's lives and habits, good and bad. If some one chooses to live a healthy life, then kudos to them. If some one doesn't, then that's their choice and I wish them well, but I, and many others, have a huge problem with other people dictating to us what we can and cannot do.
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Not mandatory.....yet. Although, it just started, so I won't BS ya with outcomes that aren't there yet.

As another TBer said, healthy is cheap. I legitimately don't care what people do to themselves, but I also don't want to pay for it.
 

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