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fret/string noise

I'm a newbie to the board and to the bass. I've played guitar for twenty years and haven't picked one up since I got a bass and amp about two months ago. I practice a lot and have strong hands anyway, but I seem to get a fair amount of fret buzz unless I really concentrate on keeping it from happening. I have a mexican P Bass that I like but it is a bit bright for a P and seems to generate some playing noise. I hoped that when the strings deadened a bit it would lessen it but it hasn't. What am I doing wrong? Or is the bass not set up right? I notice the frets are flat as a board, not crowned at all.

And I promise I do not play bass like a guitar player. There's nothing worse.
 
My first thought is always that you probably need your bass set up properly.

Especially if you are getting fret buzz. You need to start with an instrument that's at least set up properly to determine if your problem goes beyond that.

Get your bass set up and tuned by a pro - then see if you still have your problems.

If you do, there are a million ways to solve them.


Also - Myth Buster here... 'hand strength' has nothing to do with good technique. Yes, you will develop strong hands with a lot of practice, but you do not need a lot of strength to play properly and you shouldn't be exerting a great deal of energy/force when you play.
 
Fret buzz is usually from either improper fretting
or,
from a convex neck/improper action (usually both will be the case)

I know that coming from a guitar is a bit different than a bass since it doesn't require the same finger strength to fret on a guitar as on a bass. Bass is definitely a strength instrument. Sometimes it's hard to remember that. A properly setup neck and action will help greatly, but it still requires firmer pressure on the fingerboard.
If you have a tech you can take the bass to, or if you know how to setup yourself (which I am assuming you do not since you were asking the question in the first place) then start there. After that, it's all practice.
 
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I know that coming from a guitar is a bit different than a bass since it doesn't require the same finger strength to fret on a guitar as on a bass. Bass is definitely a strength instrument. Sometimes it's hard to remember that. A properly setup neck and action will help greatly, but it still requires firmer pressure on the fingerboard.

It may take a little more pressure than guitar, but characterizing bass as a 'strength instrument' is off base, IMO.

Upright - definitely - but bass guitar does not have to be. Some people like to set their action really high and that will definitely require more pressure that usual but if you get it set up properly - and go with some reasonably low action, you really don't need to exert a lot of pressure at all.

I think telling people it's a 'strength' thing leads people down a path that makes them think they have to be playing 'hard' or doing stupid 'finger strengthening exercises' that have nothing to do with playing. All of that is pretty much bunk. The only people trying to sell you the idea that you need strength to play bass are those trying to sell you some spring-loaded bunk device or some equally spring-loaded bunk methodology.
 
Always difficult to tell where somthing is coming from if there are so many possibilities. I'd start checking the bass itself. If required, set it up to specs and try again. See what the gauge of the strings is, they may be very light (thin) and cause buzz. If you still have got fret buzz, it may be a good idea to check the fret heights relative to each other. If they are level (within the normal neck relief), then it may be time to consider your own playing technique.
I play both finger style and pick. With both styles I do produce some buzzing sometimes as well. As this is well below the level of being audible through the amp, I don't care.
 
Im also a guitar player and have been playing bass seriously for about 4 yrs .I had the same problem (it was more clack than string-buzz tho ) and found it was down to technique ,finger placement and muting .I solved this by playing in front of a mirror to get precise placement and after a while it disappeared .It was the stretch of the fingers that was wrong ,they were used to the gtr fretboard had to get them trained-up to stretch a little more .I agree with you that Bass is more physical ,but then again my action is not super-low , low tension strings could also help .G,Luck
 
Thanks for the help. I have not gotten it set up yet because the intonation is fine. Normally I would get any new instrument set up. But I'll do that first and have them inspect the frets as well. I play with a good bit of pressure but they are pretty heavy strings.
 
It may take a little more pressure than guitar, but characterizing bass as a 'strength instrument' is off base, IMO.

Upright - definitely - but bass guitar does not have to be. Some people like to set their action really high and that will definitely require more pressure that usual but if you get it set up properly - and go with some reasonably low action, you really don't need to exert a lot of pressure at all.

I think telling people it's a 'strength' thing leads people down a path that makes them think they have to be playing 'hard' or doing stupid 'finger strengthening exercises' that have nothing to do with playing. All of that is pretty much bunk. The only people trying to sell you the idea that you need strength to play bass are those trying to sell you some spring-loaded bunk device or some equally spring-loaded bunk methodology.
My saying that the bass is a strength instrument was a quote from Billy Sheehan from way back in the day. I still believe it to be true, regardless of how many time you use the word "bunk."
And I wasn't suggesting that the OP have his fingers using dumbbells. But comparatively speaking, the effort to fret on a guitar is a fraction of the effort to fret on a bass. You just need to rest your finger on a string and it's fretted. It does require more effort for bass. Again, it doesn't take an enormous amount, but for someone coming from 20 years of guitar, he's almost pre-programmed for a lighter touch.

As far as those "silly" spring-loaded "bunk", they aren't for strengthening as much as increasing finger dexterity/speed. I have one. Had it since it first hit the market at the end of the 80's. Very helpful with increasing my dexterity. I haven't used it in 20 years, but it was helpful when I first started out.
 
My saying that the bass is a strength instrument was a quote from Billy Sheehan from way back in the day. I still believe it to be true, regardless of how many time you use the word "bunk."
And I wasn't suggesting that the OP have his fingers using dumbbells. But comparatively speaking, the effort to fret on a guitar is a fraction of the effort to fret on a bass. You just need to rest your finger on a string and it's fretted. It does require more effort for bass. Again, it doesn't take an enormous amount, but for someone coming from 20 years of guitar, he's almost pre-programmed for a lighter touch.

As far as those "silly" spring-loaded "bunk", they aren't for strengthening as much as increasing finger dexterity/speed. I have one. Had it since it first hit the market at the end of the 80's. Very helpful with increasing my dexterity. I haven't used it in 20 years, but it was helpful when I first started out.


Hey, sorry for the 'bunk' loaded response.

I do know that those spring things are gimmicks and do not do one bit of good for people trying to develop good bass or guitar technique. Finger strength is a byproduct of playing bass. But concluding that you need extraordinary strength to play bass is backwards. You get stronger fingers from playing bass, but you don't build strong fingers so you can play bass and focusing on 'strength training' is misguided when it's not strongly offset by solid technique.

I also know that the bass guitar (not upright) is not a "strength" instrument in spite of what Billy Sheehan might say. He's a monster player - and playing bass like he does may include an elevated strength quotient - but it's not a requirement - and there are players who play on par with Billy who do it without exerting extraordinary amounts of strength. Doing crazy, high-speed hammer-ons while bending strings across the entire width of the fingerboard does indeed require strength - but I'd offer that that is not the way MOST bass players play nor is it what MOST bass parts demand from a bass player.

Upright clearly requires more finger strength than almost any other instrument - but upright is a very different beast than almost every other instrument - obviously. Bass guitar, fretless bass, electric/acoustic guitar - all require a moderate amount of pressure to make notes. None of these instruments require extraordinary strength and saying they do sends people down paths that really don't do anything more than keep spring-loaded finger strengtheners in business.

As a matter of fact, one of the most beneficial exercises you can do as a bass player is to focus on the opposite of "strength" - how to play with as little pressure as you can.

To the OP - basses can be noisy. Round-wound strings make noise when you slide over them. If your neck's relief isn't set right you can get buzzing and clacky-sounding fret noise. Poor fretting/fingering technique and poor plucking/picking technique can also add unwanted noise to your playing.

You need to start with an instrument that is not working against you. That means getting it set up properly. It is something you can do yourself, but if you are not comfortable with that you can have it done for you - and it's worth it. IF it is your setup that's the problem, fixing it will be like getting a new set of hands - you will be amazed.

IF the setup is not the issue - then you need to look at your technique - ideally with a bass teacher - not a guitar turned bass teacher (or if at least a guitar turned bass teacher who is not just trying to apply guitar technique to bass playing) - who will show you how to almost effortlessly play your instrument, quietly, forcefully, aggressively, delicately and prove that strength is about 20th on the list of things you should focus on - if at all - and that it's actually something you can pretty much ignore - because if you are practicing good technique, your hands will develop the exact amount of 'strength' they need, no springs attached.