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Fretless options

Feb 25, 2015
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I’m thinking about upgrading/change fretless basses, and wanted to get some opinions from you fine TBers. I’ve had a MIJ Fender Jazz fretless for a couple of years now, basically stock but for Fender noiseless pickups and a Hipshot vintage bridge. I’ve had flats on it since I got it, and for the most part dug it for its old-school thumpy tone.

But now I’m learning towards more of a round wound tone – think all the bass stuff on Pearl Jam’s Ten album. So, I tried a set of DR Sunbeams on it, and while I really wanted to like the sound, I didn’t – it was almost too growly, and the bass had this weird buzz/borderline distortion thing going on. It was well beyond ‘mwah’; and to make sure it wasn’t just a string height thing, I raised the action quite a bit and it was still there. So I put the flats back on it (and put the Sunbeams another bass and really dig them on that one) and put the action back to where it was. Yes, I know if I took it to a shop they could probably figure out what’s going on, but see the next paragraph…

There are also a couple of playability things about the Fender that I’d like to not have on another fretless. First, this bass has a ’62 neck profile with a 7.25” radius – my two other main basses have 12” and 14”, and while I can go back and forth pretty easily, I do prefer the flatter boards. Second, when I play over the pickups, because the action is low on the fretless my fingers grab the exposed pole pieces on the pickups from time to time. That doesn’t happen on my Modulus, G&L, or Peavey, because nothing sticks out to grab your fingertips.

Some of the options I’m considering are G&L MJ-4/5 or L-2000/2500 (I have an M-2000, and love it, but think I want a bit more variation in tone for a fretless), or Carvin Vanquish, Bromberg or Icon – or possibly LB-70 if I went 5-string, since I prefer 17mm spacing on a 5er. I’d also consider a Modulus VJ fretless, but those are getting hard to find. Any thoughts or experiences with any of these in fretless form? Any other ‘you should definitely try this’ suggestions for a solid, fairly-sonically-versatile fretless option under, say, $1,700?
 
I have a carvin lb76 fretless that has a pretty flat neck, I don't know the number off hand, but I assume the lb75 would be similar

Another option: warmoth fretless neck. They are a flatter radius than vintage, though I think a straight 10 so not so flat

As for the tone, try some other strings?
 
So, I tried a set of DR Sunbeams on it, and while I really wanted to like the sound, I didn’t – it was almost too growly, and the bass had this weird buzz/borderline distortion thing going on. It was well beyond ‘mwah’; and to make sure it wasn’t just a string height thing, I raised the action quite a bit and it was still there. So I put the flats back on it (and put the Sunbeams another bass and really dig them on that one) and put the action back to where it was. Yes, I know if I took it to a shop they could probably figure out what’s going on, but see the next paragraph…

Your problem was too little relief, not string height.
A 1/4 turn of the truss rod would have fixed it.
 
Your problem was too little relief, not string height.
A 1/4 turn of the truss rod would have fixed it.

Thanks for the tip. If I decide to keep it I'll have that checked. Although that's another thing that I wish was different on this bass, the truss rod adjustment is at the heel, meaning you have to remove the neck....
 
I'm going to give another vote for Carvin. An 1999 LB75F was my main bass for about 5 years. I sold it because it didn't fit me aesthetically and I like a wider nut and string spacing. Still, it was a remarkably well built bass. Very comfortable, stable good playing and good sounding. I think the Carvin build quality really shines through on their fretless basses. Nice ebony boards are standard.

I can't comment specifically on the Vanquish or Icon, but I do think they are better looking basses than the LB series with a much more contemporary look. I think they have a spacing that you would like and reports are that their preamps and pickups have gotten markedly better in the past few years. Unless you're set on owning a neck through, I'd go with the Vanquish. I love the beveled body and I think it's probably the best looking bass Carvin makes. Plus, the base price is a cheaper, so if you've got $1700 to spend, you'd have considerably more cash with which to customize it.

Best of luck whatever you decide.

One more thing. Carvin basses take quite a hit at resale. It's worth looking around and seeing what kind of amazing bargains may be available on older fretless Carvins. I took around a 50% hit from what I paid when I sold mine this year and when compared to buying the same bass today it was closer to a 66% hit! To be fair, mine had some dings, was 15 years old and was in an odd color, but it was still less than expected.

You could end up with an amazing tricked out, fancy wood bass for considerably less than base price.
 
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American made to my specs and about $800.

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