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Funk 70s Style

#22
jive1 said:
Every age has had it's share of music that can be confusing the the listener. The Beatles did songs like "I Am the Walrus", and "Why Don't We Do It in the Road" which back then made some people confused, while today they are considered "classics". Look at other psychedelic bands from the 60s, and I'm sure they confused plenty of people (including the ones on drugs ;)).

Funk music was probably confusing when it first came out. Percussive vocals, as opposed to the melodic vocals of Soul and Pop. Repetitive riffs, syncopated beats, wah-wah pedals and other effects gave it a different sound that their predecessors. I'm sure plenty of older folks hated Funk when it first came out.

Honestly, I get frustrated with older musicians who stop listening and appreciating music after they reach a certain age or it's past the era of their prime. Not all of them do it, but plenty do. Music is constantly evolving, and I love listening to new music. It makes me a better musician, even if I were to never play that music.
I once worked with a guitar player back in 2005 who said he didn't like new music like Van Halen. He seemed really confused when I told him, it's not new music, it's Classic Rock. 25 years passed since VHs first album, and he considered it "new". Sad to think he let 25 years of music just pass him by without an attempt to appreciate anything from that span.
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hate to break it to you, but it's been 35 years ;)
 
#23
The roots of the Rascals were in New York-area twist and bar bands. Keyboardist/singer Felix Cavaliere, the guiding force of the group, had played with Joey Dee & the Starliters, where he met Canadian guitarist Gene Cornish and singer Eddie Brigati. Brigati would split the lead vocals with Cavaliere and also write much of the band's material with him. With the addition of drummer Dino Danelli, they became the Rascals. Over their objections, manager Sid Bernstein (who had promoted the famous Beatles concerts at Carnegie Hall and Shea Stadium) dubbed them the Young Rascals, although the "Young" was permanently dropped from the billing in a couple of years.


Yeah, I am a Jersey Boy and I remember when all that stuff was happening. The Rascals really came out of Jersey but started gaining popularity when they stated playing out in Long Iland. I saw them at one of those Sunday Afeternoon Revues that Murray The K put on at The Brooklyn Fox.

I did not know until recently the connection with Joey Dee and The Starleighters (Pepermint Twist) and Edie Brigatti's brother David.
 
#28
gm2_in_co said:
Only proving that at their best, the younger mind is more flexible. Your assessments reak of the "noise" comments emitted from my parents as we watched The Beatles on Ed Sullivan.
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Good point, I forgot about the very close similarities between Modest Mouse and The Beatles. They are pretty close to the Beatles in terms of talent, song writing, musicianship, stage presence, popularity ect.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

I know what your getting at, but lets compare apples with apples. What would be a fair comparison for Modest Mouse? Banana Splits maybe. Probably not, at least they had a weekly TV series.
 
#29
bluewine said:
Good point, I forgot about the very close similarities between Modest Mouse and The Beatles. They are pretty close to the Beatles in terms of talent, song writing, musicianship, stage presence, popularity ect.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

I know what your getting at, but lets compare apples with apples. What would be a fair comparison for Modest Mouse? Banana Splits maybe. Probably not, at least they had a weekly TV series.
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Hmm... from what I know of them, maybe comparing Modest Mouse to J Geils Band or perhaps The Pixies (who you may not regard any higher than Modest Mouse) might be more accurate in that Modest Mouse has been around "forever" with only a "cult following" before "suddenly" gaining a mass audience. Then again if you take my comment in context, I don't think "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" showed a whole lot more genius, complexity or talent than the typical Modest Mouse offering.
 
#30
gm2_in_co said:
Hmm... from what I know of them, maybe comparing Modest Mouse to J Geils Band or perhaps The Pixies (who you may not regard any higher than Modest Mouse) might be more accurate in that Modest Mouse has been around "forever" with only a "cult following" before "suddenly" gaining a mass audience. Then again if you take my comment in context, I don't think "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" showed a whole lot more genius, complexity or talent than the typical Modest Mouse offering.
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Just for the sake of a good argument;

Good counter point, however if you remember, even the concept of a couple of guys on stage with electric guitars was pretty inovative.

I will take I Wanna Hold your Hand and She Loves You over anything I heard coming from that stage on that particular night. And I will take the nice suits The Beatles wore over a T-Shirt and baggy cargo shorts.

I can't belive your putting a couple of marginally talented kids that got lucky up agianst genuius.
 
#31
bluewine said:
Good counter point, however if you remember, even the concept of a couple of guys on stage with electric guitars was pretty inovative.
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Blues musicians and rockers from the 50s were doing this well before the Beatles.

I can't belive your putting a couple of marginally talented kids that got lucky up agianst genuius.
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The White Album, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, I'd call genius. Their first couple of albums was them copping Chuck Berry tunes, stealing licks from Blues musicians, and taking ideas from Motown.
 
#32
gm2_in_co said:
Hmm... from what I know of them, maybe comparing Modest Mouse to J Geils Band or perhaps The Pixies (who you may not regard any higher than Modest Mouse) might be more accurate in that Modest Mouse has been around "forever" with only a "cult following" before "suddenly" gaining a mass audience. Then again if you take my comment in context, I don't think "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" showed a whole lot more genius, complexity or talent than the typical Modest Mouse offering.
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The Pixies, that's Francis Blacks band,right? I actually like them.
 
#33
jive1 said:
Blues musicians and rockers from the 50s were doing this well before the Beatles.

I am not going to argue your point, however, even when you watch those early Elvis Movies,no electric bass guitar, they used the upright. so, not really the same.


The White Album, Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, I'd call genius. Their first couple of albums was them copping Chuck Berry tunes, stealing licks from Blues musicians, and taking ideas from Motown.
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Good Point, and I agree there was a bit of that. But hell, if I was touring with Little Richard I would have borrowed a bit too.

Just curious, cause I don't know. Does Modest Mouse have a Pet Sounds,Satanic Majesty,White Album,Sgt Pepper or Abbey Road equivelent under their belt?

blue

Off Topic

You can tell I am on edge this week.i will not know until late Sunday if I am getting picked up by the band I had the 2nd call audition with. I just don't think I'm going to get it.
 
#35
bassplayerbob said:
Great tune! I was only familiar with the radio stuff from them,btw i am learning Good lovin' with my band. I do hear some west coast Oakland funk sprinkled on that tune though,
Compare this one to it (you know where this is going :D hehe)

All funk is good funk!!
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I have been a TOP fan for 40 years. No problem. However, please understand, and I'm not sure but I think The Rascals stuff pre-dates TOP.
 
#37
Oh daaaaaaaaaaammmmnnnn, that Rascals song is INCREDIBLE, thanks for posting Bluewine! This is exactly the kind of funk that tops my list! Checking out the rest of the album now.

34 here and a pretty big fan of TOP myself, Soul With A Capital S has to be one of my favorite basslines ever! Other bands like Lettuce, Papa Grows Funk are high up on my list too (though I do realize they don't have quite the same as 70's funk mojo), Maceo Parker, James Brown (of course), Sly & the Family Stone and all sorts of other stuff are up there too. I've been trying to start a funk band (a "REAL" funk band) for a while now... but everyone around here looks at me funny when I start playing this stuff. :hmm: "" :rolleyes: lol

Unlike Bluewine, I don't have a problem linking to kick@$$ vids. lol Here's a couple for you guys. Not as good as that Rascals vid though, IMO.

Lettuce - Sam Huff's Flying Raging Machine
Papa Grows Funk - Fish Eyed Fool (listen past the intro)
Chicago - What's This World Coming To (this one REALLY surprised me, given it's... well... Chicago ;) The album version is better, but this is the only vid that comes up.)

5sg.

P.S. Gm2, what's up from Denver! :bassist:
 
#38
#39
bassplayerbob said:
Great clips. I dont know alot about Peter Cetera but did i see him getting funky with a pick?? If i did, props to him!
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You did! :)

The only way I heard about Chicago playing a funk song was an issue of Bass Player magazine a while back where they were "blind taste testing" bass lines with Rocco Prestia. If I remember right, he was as surprised as I was that this was Chicago. lol

5sg.
 

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