Since you admittedly are not a fan of Funk, has it occurred to you that maybe
you have not seen enough live Funk shows to generalize? I saw dozens of shows between 1971-1996, and the shows with scantily clad women were less than a handful
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Funk is ending up like the Blues
- Thread starter Dr. Cheese
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Since you admittedly are not a fan of Funk, has it occurred to you that maybe
you have not seen enough live Funk shows to generalize? I saw dozens of shows between 1971-1996, and the shows with scantily clad women were less than a handful
It’s sad that even Bass players talk about Dart - Vulfpeck without mentioning Bernard Edwards. It’s All in Bernard’s Bass lines.Ya, Vulfpeck is quite clean cut and pretty. I still like some of their stuff, though
You're obviously offended. Sorry 'bout that, but it is what it is, and being in denial won't change it.
Stop trying to insult me, I'm trying to be nice!
Bootsy don't need no sideshow foxes, he IS the sideshow! (Dr. Cheese - try not to misinterpret that, Bootsy is DA BOMB!)
Are you, my dear colleagues, some kind of “watchers”?
I thought I am at the musicians’ place.
Can we Listen to Music instead of watching some sleazy shock jock show?
I find what you say offensive because you claim not to a fan of Funk, and yet you generalize. If you are like most people, you don’t closely follow music that you don’t particularly like. When it comes to Death Metal, the only band I know by name is Cannibal Corpse, and that is because Alex Webster is a great bassist. I know enough to know I have no basis on which to make broad statements about Death Metal. Exactly how many Funk concerts have you actually attended?
I got my funk on nonetheless!
My post was actually to point out that Boosty didn't need a sideshow.
The dammit was a lame attempt at sarcasm
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I saw James Brown someplace in Harlem when I was a teenager. AWESOME SHOW! I saw Sly and the Family Stone at the Electric Circus (Greenwich Village) in the '60s. AWESOME! I saw Larry Graham in Berkeley in the '70s. AWESOME! EW&F and Tower of Power in Oakland in the '70s/80s. No foxey sideshow at any of those shows. But funk is not my thing, so NO WAY am I gonna pay today's ticket prices to see music that doesn't really turn me on - though, if Stanley Clark, Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten were to show up in Denver I WOULD make an exception! That YT video of the show they did was AWESOME (no foxey sideshow)!
BUT.......
Here in the modern world, we don't need to actually go to concerts unless we REALLY want to see the performer. We have something called YOUTUBE. THOUSANDS of LIVE PERFORMANCE videos. I've seen enough funk videos to know that my statement is accurate. I understand about generalizations. You must have missed the part where I said "What I saw was...". Emphasis on "WHAT I SAW". If it makes you feel better here ya go:
"I fully acknowledge that not all live funk shows are dependent on sexploitation to distract the observer from the music. Sometimes, the music is REALLY GOOD!"
I saw James Brown someplace in Harlem when I was a teenager. AWESOME SHOW! I saw Sly and the Family Stone at the Electric Circus (Greenwich Village) in the '60s. AWESOME! I saw Larry Graham in Berkeley in the '70s. AWESOME! EW&F and Tower of Power in Oakland in the '70s/80s. No foxey sideshow at any of those shows. But funk is not my thing, so NO WAY am I gonna pay today's ticket prices to see music that doesn't really turn me on - though, if Stanley Clark, Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten were to show up in Denver I WOULD make an exception! That YT video of the show they did was AWESOME (no foxey sideshow)!
BUT.......
Here in the modern world, we don't need to actually go to concerts unless we REALLY want to see the performer. We have something called YOUTUBE. THOUSANDS of LIVE PERFORMANCE videos. I've seen enough funk videos to know that my statement is accurate. I understand about generalizations. You must have missed the part where I said "What I saw was...". Emphasis on "WHAT I SAW". If it makes you feel better here ya go:
"I fully acknowledge that not all live funk shows are dependent on sexploitation to distract the observer from the music. Sometimes, the music is REALLY GOOD!"
If you seen that much Funk over the years, you are a fan, whether you admit it or not. If you spend time you have an interest in the genre. I know I don’t spend time watching things on YouTube that does not interest me.
The sexploitation bit sounds like a combination of stereotyping and projection. I have been a serious fan of the music, and I don’t see the sex thing dominating the genre. You see what you see. I have got better things to than continue this interchange any further.
Yes Dart is to a large extent a speeded up version of Bernard Edwards. I can’t blame him for liking my favorite bassist.
I always like to strut my thang, shakin' my pants to the rhythm swing.
Like I said, I'm a fan of THE BASS! It's all about THE BASS!
STILL trying to insult me...SIGH!
Actually, you've already admitted to seeing more of it (the foxey sideshow thing) than I have, so......
But we were having so much FUN!
Hey man, it's cool. I lit your burner, we went back and forth, It's all good! We're both BASS PLAYERS!
PEACE!
Ever thus, Doc. Everything starts as niche. Anything worthy of survival finds it's way into mainstream, where it gets a wider audience and becomes a 'thing'. If it survives being a 'thing', it gets analysed, intellectualised, codified, re-distributed and re-absorbed. Invariably, some things get 'lost in translation' as part of that process - this is a mixed blessing, as over-codification can lead to isolation, stagnation and demise, so be careful what you wish for...
It's always been the case that innovators innovate and music on a universal level evolves, expands and enriches itself. I say bring it on...
In my personal experience, bass players that are funk fans tend to not be able to 'un-funk' their playing when in other genres. Trying to start a rock band is tough when every bass player is into 'funk, fusion, jazz'.
I don't like funk at all, but I can respect it's existence and musicianship. I just think it's one of those things that 'taint' bass players, in the same way a lot of drummers I've encountered could play insane death metal stuff all day, but couldn't play a simple shuffle to save their life.
I don't like funk at all, but I can respect it's existence and musicianship. I just think it's one of those things that 'taint' bass players, in the same way a lot of drummers I've encountered could play insane death metal stuff all day, but couldn't play a simple shuffle to save their life.
Before I move on from this thread having only posted in it as an anti-Vulfpeck curmudgeon, I want to turn everyone on to the horn-funk band Ripe, out of Boston. They sound like a horn funk band ought to my ears and are touring right now.
That's not a funk thing, that's what happens when players either aren't well enough versed in other styles or they simply don't have the discipline/respect to adjust their playing to suit the context. The same thing happens with players in jazz, blues, reggae, rock - you name it.
Funk shuffle:
Funk's not going away, we all are aware of the maturity of the entire P-Funk thang and they will pass or put their instruments down at some point in time but the feel is here to stay.
Funk's not going away, we all are aware of the maturity of the entire P-Funk thang and they will pass or put their instruments down at some point in time but the feel is here to stay.
Nice but I’d say R&B at the most, with a slightly out-of-context rock lead guitarist ..
You're right. I should have added that it has to do with funk being one of the few genres where the bass stands out, so bass players tend to steer that direction. It's an ego thing.
