Future Impact now available!! WAS: deep impact reissue!!! interested?

[Quatschmacher]

I had it plugged in before I opened the page and then tried unplugging and re-plugging. The browser (Chrome) was on the whole time and never restarted.

Make sure the UM-one is plugged in before launching the entire browser (not just that tab).

A similar thing happens in the editor - if the editor is launched before the MIDI-to-USB devices are plugged in, then they don’t appear in the list.

I guess both things scan devices at the point of launch.

 

[Adamixoye]

Make sure the UM-one is plugged in before launching the entire browser (not just that tab).

A similar thing happens in the editor - if the editor is launched before the MIDI-to-USB devices are plugged in, then they don’t appear in the list.

I guess both things scan devices at the point of launch.

That isn't exactly how I got it to work (and it was in the list in the editor, but not communicating until I deselected it and selected it again), but I will try that next time.

 

[BurningSkies]

What program-selection mode is in use? Direct or Legacy? Direct is much better and is now the default.

I haven't updated to v3 yet...I'm on the last one before that, and an older editor until I get a chance to dig in. The control set hasn't been changed from how it arrived when I bought it.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I haven't updated to v3 yet...I'm on the last one before that, and an older editor until I get a chance to dig in. The control set hasn't been changed from how it arrived when I bought it.

Most likely on legacy mode then. You can alter it via the boot menu so that pressing the footswitch instantly switches patches.

 

[BurningSkies]

Most likely on legacy mode then. You can alter it via the boot menu so that pressing the footswitch instantly switches patches.

Cool. Now that I've got controllers though, it's definitely not as much of an issue.

 

[fivestringgecko]

The up/down mechanics on the FI just don't work for me. having a controller that has that easily available is a huge help. Even if it's just a two-button DA DMC.

What program-selection mode is in use? Direct or Legacy? Direct is much better and is now the default.

Most likely on legacy mode then. You can alter it via the boot menu so that pressing the footswitch instantly switches patches.

I agree with @BurningSkies about the up/down mechanics. Controllers are definitely where it's at with the FI. In the 80's band I sit in with, my Impact gets a patch from their MIDI setup and I don't have to touch it, they've got all the patch changes programmed into their show for the main bass player. Super nice. For any other gig situations, I control my FI with my HXFX... Way easier than switching patches on the FI itself.

Direct mode is nice for not having the bank restriction, but I'm not all that into the instant patch changes. (Some of my patches are used for multiple songs, so they end up not all being right next to each other.) I just leave it in Legacy mode to remain within banks and if I DO need to control the Impact directly, I just use the Up press to cycle through patches and have the necessary one ready and press the knob to change banks as necessary. That works better for me than using the double press, which I find a bit frustrating and cumbersome for my personal taste. That said, the current one press/two press method is the most logical solution with only two footswitches.

As with any opinion on Talkbass though, "your mileage may vary" for anyone reading this of course.

5sg.

 

[BurningSkies]

I agree with @BurningSkies about the up/down mechanics. Controllers are definitely where it's at with the FI. In the 80's band I sit in with, my Impact gets a patch from their MIDI setup and I don't have to touch it, they've got all the patch changes programmed into their show for the main bass player. Super nice. For any other gig situations, I control my FI with my HXFX... Way easier than switching patches on the FI itself.

Direct mode is nice for not having the bank restriction, but I'm not all that into the instant patch changes. (Some of my patches are used for multiple songs, so they end up not all being right next to each other.) I just leave it in Legacy mode to remain within banks and if I DO need to control the Impact directly, I just use the Up press to cycle through patches and have the necessary one ready and press the knob to change banks as necessary. That works better for me than using the double press, which I find a bit frustrating and cumbersome for my personal taste. That said, the current one press/two press method is the most logical solution with only two footswitches.

As with any opinion on Talkbass though, "your mileage may vary" for anyone reading this of course.

5sg.

I either trigger ES-5 patches that have MIDI PC/CC for whatever or I use my DMC-3 which allows me to scroll and select. Best of both worlds, but I can use those for any of my MIDI pedals.

 

[maisbass]

I either trigger ES-5 patches that have MIDI PC/CC for whatever or I use my DMC-3 which allows me to scroll and select. Best of both worlds, but I can use those for any of my MIDI pedals.

Agreed! Same for me... Boss ES5 but replace the DMC-3 with the Morningstar MC6 MKII

 

[fivestringgecko]

I either trigger ES-5 patches that have MIDI PC/CC for whatever or I use my DMC-3 which allows me to scroll and select. Best of both worlds, but I can use those for any of my MIDI pedals.

Agreed! Same for me... Boss ES5 but replace the DMC-3 with the Morningstar MC6 MKII

Definitely sounds like a useful combination. I do the same thing with my HXFX board, and the scroll and select theory you mention is why I leave the FI in Legacy mode for direct control... It's not quite as elegant as the DMC-3, but I rarely have to control the FI by itself.

Now that gigs have slowed down a bit for the end of the year, the MC6 is at the of my list... I'm tinkering with some board revamp ideas using stuff I've been collecting, and it would be pretty slick for a small Stomp/FI board I have planned. I had originally thought it would also be nice for a bigger secondary board, but a DMC-3 might be the right solution there since the only thing I'd be controlling on that board would be the FI. Hmmmmm...

5sg.

 

[BurningSkies]

Definitely sounds like a useful combination. I do the same thing with my HXFX, and the scroll and select theory you mention is why I leave the FI in Legacy mode... It's not quite as elegant as the DMC-3, but I rarely have to control the FI by itself.

Now that gigs have slowed down a bit for the end of the year, the MC6 is at the of my list... I'm tinkering with some board revamp ideas using stuff I've been collecting, and it would be pretty slick for a small Stomp/FI board I have planned. I had originally thought it would also be nice for a bigger secondary board, but a DMC-3 might be the right solution there since the only thing I'd be controlling on that board would be the FI. Hmmmmm...

5sg.

I’m pretty locked in for gigs. One or two songs where I may pick or choose depending on mood.

but generally it’s nice to have an easy scroll for when we’re writing or rehearsing or I might be trying stuff out at home.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Definitely sounds like a useful combination. I do the same thing with my HXFX board, and the scroll and select theory you mention is why I leave the FI in Legacy mode for direct control... It's not quite as elegant as the DMC-3, but I rarely have to control the FI by itself.

Now that gigs have slowed down a bit for the end of the year, the MC6 is at the of my list... I'm tinkering with some board revamp ideas using stuff I've been collecting, and it would be pretty slick for a small Stomp/FI board I have planned. I had originally thought it would also be nice for a bigger secondary board, but a DMC-3 might be the right solution there since the only thing I'd be controlling on that board would be the FI. Hmmmmm...

5sg.

The MC6 with the FI would be great as you could do all the cool midi message stuff on its buttons. Some pretty exciting possibilities with flexis.

 

[maisbass]

The MC6 with the FI would be great as you could do all the cool midi message stuff on its buttons. Some pretty exciting possibilities with flexis.

++++
I can not recommend the MC6 enough. It is an extremely powerful pedal with a nice screen. Computer editor and very easy to program on the pedal as well. If any of you have not checked it out yet, definitely check out the Videos online.
My only gripe is that it needs to be mounted to a pedal board for stability when stepping on it, otherwise it will move on you. Wasn’t a problem for me since I mounted it to a small pedal board. Other than that it’s absolutely fantastic. Usb midi and midi din, expression inputs, multiple functions for each button (tap, dbl tap, long press, etc). Check it out.

 

[Quatschmacher]

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I can not recommend the MC6 enough. It is an extremely powerful pedal with a nice screen. Computer editor and very easy to program on the pedal as well. If any of you have not checked it out yet, definitely check out the Videos online.
My only gripe is that it needs to be mounted to a pedal board for stability when stepping on it, otherwise it will move on you. Wasn’t a problem for me since I mounted it to a small pedal board. Other than that it’s absolutely fantastic. Usb midi and midi din, expression inputs, multiple functions for each button (tap, dbl tap, long press, etc). Check it out.

I’m surprised it doesn’t also have a MIDI TRS output.

 

[maisbass]

I’m surprised it doesn’t also have a MIDI TRS output.

Quite frankly I can’t stand those new mini midi TRS cable outs. Those cables feel so flimsy and I question their longevity. I made my own when I was using the irig pro I/O live.

 

[GisserD]

Isn't midi trs just a standard 1/8 trs cable?

 

[maisbass]

Isn't midi trs just a standard 1/8 trs cable?

Yes... to midi din. But the manufactures tend to use these really thin flimsy cables that from what I read break easily. That is why I made my own.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Isn't midi trs just a standard 1/8 trs cable?

That’s what I meant too, they are standard TRS on both ends.

 

[kerryg]

Heads up that this method of delivering MIDI circumvents the most basic protection built into the spec.

You can send midi on pretty much any wires, it’s just a signal. But back when they were designing the original midi spec, they recognized that adding a third layer of wiring to the two existing layers (audio and power) in an audio environment was a ticket to ground loops. If it risked making hums and buzzes in the studio, it would be dead before it started. So with engineering ingenuity, they designed the physical spec so that every midi connection is actually opto-isolated – meaning all 5-pin midi “ins” turn their received data into light and beam it across a tiny air gap. It’s all built into the circuit by spec.

So it does remain to be seen what effect (if any) intentionally defeating the inbuilt protection designed into midi connectors might have on diagnosing ground problems down the road.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Heads up that this method of delivering MIDI circumvents the most basic protection built into the spec.

You can send midi on pretty much any wires, it’s just a signal. But back when they were designing the original midi spec, they recognized that adding a third layer of wiring to the two existing layers (audio and power) in an audio environment was a ticket to ground loops. If it risked making hums and buzzes in the studio, it would be dead before it started. So with engineering ingenuity, they designed the physical spec so that every midi connection is actually opto-isolated – meaning all 5-pin midi “ins” turn their received data into light and beam it across a tiny air gap. It’s all built into the circuit by spec.

So it does remain to be seen what effect (if any) intentionally defeating the inbuilt protection designed into midi connectors might have on diagnosing ground problems down the road.

I believe Andras made a similar point several months ago about USB or TRS MIDI.

 

[kerryg]

I believe Andras made a similar point several months ago about USB or TRS MIDI.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me, he's not one to have missed this. The good news of course is that the MIDI in the FI is done according to the spec.