I'm uploading the ShuttleMax 9.2 demo right now... give it a few hours if you can to let the audio fully process.
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GB Shuttlemax 9.2 demo going online
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A/B vs Streamliner round 2??? I saw the 1st video of the Streamliner. Any changes?
Love ya Ed!
Wow, Youtube is slow today. Still uploading!
No A/B with the Streamliner... did that. But I did A/B with the FET/TUbe channel. The difference is there, but subtle, until you start cranking the tube.
No A/B with the Streamliner... did that. But I did A/B with the FET/TUbe channel. The difference is there, but subtle, until you start cranking the tube.
I'm hooked on Ed's site, I play listen to all the reviews while writing out my patients notes. Makes it enjoyable...
Whats amazing is how a guy like Ed can make ANY bass sound great. We beat ourselves up over tone, gear but no matter what the crowd would rather hear Ed wail on a $100 bass vs me on a $4000 bass.
Thanks again Ed. I love the Carvin review & its making me think of selling my Sterling H (Since I have a HH) & grab something that sounds different.
Whats amazing is how a guy like Ed can make ANY bass sound great. We beat ourselves up over tone, gear but no matter what the crowd would rather hear Ed wail on a $100 bass vs me on a $4000 bass.
Thanks again Ed. I love the Carvin review & its making me think of selling my Sterling H (Since I have a HH) & grab something that sounds different.
Is it just me or did the Blue Light of Death seem a bit brighter than usual?
Great demo and I couldn't agree more with the comparison at the end about the Streamliner vs. the Shuttles. It really looks like Genz Benz has been hitting em out of the park recently.
Great demo and I couldn't agree more with the comparison at the end about the Streamliner vs. the Shuttles. It really looks like Genz Benz has been hitting em out of the park recently.
Great review/demo Ed!
I've got a Maz 9.2 and SL600 due to arrive today and I'm really looking forward to A/B'ing the sound of each.
Based on your review/demo of each model I'm leaning a bit toward the Max 9.2 due to the fact that I play such a wide range of styles.
I'm thinking that the SL models would be awesome for straight ahead rock, blues or R&B but the Max would be more capable of getting a variety of tones.
I've also got to consider which sounds best with the Berg HT-112-ER and Epi UL-112 cab's. I have no plans on changing them.
Thanks!
I've got a Maz 9.2 and SL600 due to arrive today and I'm really looking forward to A/B'ing the sound of each.
Based on your review/demo of each model I'm leaning a bit toward the Max 9.2 due to the fact that I play such a wide range of styles.
I'm thinking that the SL models would be awesome for straight ahead rock, blues or R&B but the Max would be more capable of getting a variety of tones.
I've also got to consider which sounds best with the Berg HT-112-ER and Epi UL-112 cab's. I have no plans on changing them.
Thanks!
Ed,
Thank you!
I definitely made the right decision. Not knocking the 9.2, but the STM is more MY sound.
Where do you get the backing tracks without the basslines?
Thank you!
I definitely made the right decision. Not knocking the 9.2, but the STM is more MY sound.
Where do you get the backing tracks without the basslines?
Ed, excellent review, once again ! You are really setting the standard for all others !
It would do your review work and video production even more justice, if there were a possibilty to download the HD videos without going through youtube.
Mind, downloading from youtube is not the issue, even I know how to do that..., but youtube somehow compresses the audio to point, where all the sutble differences you are highlighting in your video by cutting forth and back, are barely noticeable, even with good headphones.
I know from my own listening tests that the difference between the Tube and the FET channel are much more distinct than what comes across in the youtube download.
Again, your reviews (and your books) are a pleasure and inspiration !
It would do your review work and video production even more justice, if there were a possibilty to download the HD videos without going through youtube.
Mind, downloading from youtube is not the issue, even I know how to do that..., but youtube somehow compresses the audio to point, where all the sutble differences you are highlighting in your video by cutting forth and back, are barely noticeable, even with good headphones.
I know from my own listening tests that the difference between the Tube and the FET channel are much more distinct than what comes across in the youtube download.
Again, your reviews (and your books) are a pleasure and inspiration !
Thanks all.
JLPre - The drum tracks are EZ Drummer, and if there's an actually song, it's probably from one of those Playalong Book/CDs. Sometimes, I play guitar parts, or something to fill out a drum track.
Olddog - Thanks, yes... YT compression is a fact of life, but since it's a free service, that's part of the deal. I'm not likely to start hosting these videos myself, that's a lot of storage, and... the whole point is YT is where people go to find stuff. If I hosted them on my own site, I doubt I would get the same amount of traffic.
JLPre - The drum tracks are EZ Drummer, and if there's an actually song, it's probably from one of those Playalong Book/CDs. Sometimes, I play guitar parts, or something to fill out a drum track.
Olddog - Thanks, yes... YT compression is a fact of life, but since it's a free service, that's part of the deal. I'm not likely to start hosting these videos myself, that's a lot of storage, and... the whole point is YT is where people go to find stuff. If I hosted them on my own site, I doubt I would get the same amount of traffic.
Fantastic
Love it.
My thoughts...
My Eden Navigator can do these tones pretty close
My Streamliner is more warm
If I only had to chose 1 amp for the rest of my life? Shuttle Max 9.2 WITHOUT question
but I don't... I have my Eden Navigator & my Streamliner 900 2 different beasts like a P vs J bass. Viva diversity.
This video makes me VERY confident I made the right choice for me... the Streamliner (for diversity from my Eden Nav) but the Shuttle Max 9.2 if I could only have 1. The ShuttleMax is absolutely fantastic. Wow what products from Genz. I think most people would be happier with the Shuttlemax 9.2 vs the Streamliner due to versatility, midrange cut, less colored tone that will match your direct out. The streamliner may be TOO colored & you will have to make sure you're not sending a very HARSH tone to the board to get midrange cut through your cab. IMPORTANT to think about people, trust me. The tone the crowd hears pre-EQ will be VERY different than what comes out of the Streamliner & cab. The Shuttlemax will be more exact.
LISTEN TO ED at 12min or so.
Good hunting people, don't get caught up in hype, Eds videos are VERY accurate... go on your ears!!!
Love it.
My thoughts...
My Eden Navigator can do these tones pretty close
My Streamliner is more warm
If I only had to chose 1 amp for the rest of my life? Shuttle Max 9.2 WITHOUT question
but I don't... I have my Eden Navigator & my Streamliner 900 2 different beasts like a P vs J bass. Viva diversity.
This video makes me VERY confident I made the right choice for me... the Streamliner (for diversity from my Eden Nav) but the Shuttle Max 9.2 if I could only have 1. The ShuttleMax is absolutely fantastic. Wow what products from Genz. I think most people would be happier with the Shuttlemax 9.2 vs the Streamliner due to versatility, midrange cut, less colored tone that will match your direct out. The streamliner may be TOO colored & you will have to make sure you're not sending a very HARSH tone to the board to get midrange cut through your cab. IMPORTANT to think about people, trust me. The tone the crowd hears pre-EQ will be VERY different than what comes out of the Streamliner & cab. The Shuttlemax will be more exact.
LISTEN TO ED at 12min or so.
Good hunting people, don't get caught up in hype, Eds videos are VERY accurate... go on your ears!!!
IMO, it wouldn't make much sense to use a Streamliner and not use the D.I. post EQ. Otherwise, why bother to with the multi-tube preamp? What I mean is that the SL is one of those amps which is "part of the instrument" and a contributor to the overall character of the final bass tone, and, as such, not intended to sound like a "wire straight to the board". As I see it, the whole point of the SL is the fat, "tubey" color it imparts. From what I've heard, the SL's post-EQ D.I. sounds pretty amazing, while the pre-EQ send sounds decent, but unremarkable....
Whatever differences you can't hear among variations of solo bass, over youtube, with good headphones, you can be confident you really don't need to consider.
MOST soundmen require Pre-EQ. Your backline tone will be VERY different from the house tone, 99% of the time I run pre-EQ as requested.
The pre/post question is really part of a larger debate.... anyway, I always run pre-EQ an often receive compliments... and no complaints. My use of EQ is sparse and tasteful. Perhaps not surprisingly, I am one of those people who considers the amplification chain to be integral to my electric "instrument'. Sure, my basses sounds fine by themselves... but I've purposely chosen gear which gives me the sound I want to create, and I want that sound out front.
My point is that the SL is a tone color machine - it was designed for "maximum tube flavor". Taking the D.I. pre-EQ negates the purpose of this particular amp.... unless the idea is that the SL's "tube nirvana" is solely for the player and not the audience.
My pair of quads will be waiting for me when I get home and I'll be plugging my 9.2 into them. After that I'll check Ed's video out. He really is doing the best reviews out there.
The pre/post question is really part of a larger debate.... anyway, I always run pre-EQ an often receive compliments... and no complaints. My use of EQ is sparse and tasteful. Perhaps not surprisingly, I am one of those people who considers the amplification chain to be integral to my electric "instrument'. Sure, my basses sounds fine by themselves... but I've purposely chosen gear which gives me the sound I want to create, and I want that sound out front.
My point is that the SL is a tone color machine - it was designed for "maximum tube flavor". Taking the D.I. pre-EQ negates the purpose of this particular amp.... unless the idea is that the SL's "tube nirvana" is solely for the player and not the audience.
100% true.
