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Genesis "LAMB" fuzz tone?

#41
So back again... just to finalize the EXACT sound of Mike's FUZZ bass (and this time, I mean exact)...

1) Microfrets Signature Baritone GUITAR converted to a six string short scale BASS.. the tailpiece needs to be MOVED back a few inches to accommodate the intonation of the thicker strings.

2) FLAT WOUND bass strings (I am using GHS with a couple of guitar flat wounds for the HIGH B and HIGH E strings, flat wound).. GHS sells a 4 string, flat wound set.

3) An AMPEG SVT head (tube version). I am using the SVT-CL

4) Bass speakers with a horn for high end (I am using the SVT-410HLF)

5) A Nuemann U-47 Mic on the cab, into a URIE 1176 COMP into a Helios Type 69 Channel Strip

6) The SHAFTESBURY DUO FUZZ - trust me this is the right pedal... now some good news, Wattson makes a clone pedal that sounds just like the originals... I also have a COMPANION and a SHAFTESBURY original vintage pedals... and in all cases, this IS THE FUZZ

7) DI Box into another HELIOS channel.

Mix and EQ both Bass Tracks to taste....

Now, there is only one small detail that I still have to confirm... the question becomes, did Mike use the Microfrets Baritone before it was converted with the RIC 360-12 as the double neck, or was the double neck already built for the recording sessions. The reason this is important is that the BODY of the double neck was custom made and as such was probably more of a solid body than the hollow body of the RICK and the semi-hollow body of the Microfrets. I am using a standalone Microfrets Baritone and it sounds like it was done with way.

I know that this is an old thread but I just wanted to update all that I know about this wonderful bass sound.

If someone knows anything that isn't correct, please let me know for I have been after this elusive sound for a REAL LONG time and now it is really close to the point that I can't hear a real difference between my tracks and the LP.

Jim
 
#42
It certainly is a bass tone worth trying to attain.

I'll be checking out "The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis' "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" in a couple of months live here in Atlanta. It's not Gabriel and the gang, but as I don't have a time machine, it'll have to do. I can't wait to hear it done live with what appears to be a recreation of the stage production, too.

The Musical Box – The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis’ “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” – Tickets – Variety Playhouse – Atlanta, GA – May 6th, 2012 | Variety Playhouse
 
#44
bassmonkeee said:
It certainly is a bass tone worth trying to attain.

I'll be checking out "The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis' "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" in a couple of months live here in Atlanta. It's not Gabriel and the gang, but as I don't have a time machine, it'll have to do. I can't wait to hear it done live with what appears to be a recreation of the stage production, too.

The Musical Box – The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis’ “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” – Tickets – Variety Playhouse – Atlanta, GA – May 6th, 2012 | Variety Playhouse
Click to expand...

It is pretty awesome. I can't imagine anything sounding more spot-on...probably even more so than what Mike, Phil, Peter, Tony, and Steve could pull off if they reunited.
 
#45
Actually, I participated in a video production about The Lamb... LIVE Sound vs STUDIO Sound... it should be out in MAY or so... Tom Lord-Alge produced the video and it was only done for LAMB fans and not commercially but I had a ton of fun sharing the info I have gathered over the years about the studio sound of The Lamb.

I do have a link to an RMI Electra Piano for the Lamb (it might be used in the video)... this demo is all MIDI except GAB's voice.

[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]


The video used TMB for information about the LIVE sound... I was one of the "experts" consulted on the studio side of the sound.

Actually, quite a few of the folks that were in the STUDIO making the Lamb have been helping me re-create The Lamb in MIDI.. I need to sample my own instruments with the correct signal chains that the MIDI performances use to recreate the sound.

Anyway, I guess I could throw something up on Soundcloud that SOLO's Mike's bass sound... the clean sound will be 32 Doors, and the FUZZ sound will be the middle section of ANYWAY....

I will post links here when they are ready on Soundcloud.

Jim
 
#47
bassmonkeee said:
It certainly is a bass tone worth trying to attain.

I'll be checking out "The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis' "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" in a couple of months live here in Atlanta. It's not Gabriel and the gang, but as I don't have a time machine, it'll have to do. I can't wait to hear it done live with what appears to be a recreation of the stage production, too.

The Musical Box – The Exclusive Authorized Re-creation Of Genesis’ “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” – Tickets – Variety Playhouse – Atlanta, GA – May 6th, 2012 | Variety Playhouse
Click to expand...

I saw them do this at the Riviera Theatre, North Tonawanda, NY back in November and it was fantastic ! A great venue for this kind of show. They did "The Musical Box" and "Watcher of the Sky" as an encore.
 
#49
Have been listening to this album and that TONE nonstop for the last few days. I think I will give it a shot with my vt bass pedal and hiwatt esque lb30, but I must purchase a signal splitter and maybe a separate fuzz for the blend. But then again what is the use without the Helios desk and the URIE 1176 COMP..
 
#50
A minor/small update..... Scratch the Ampeg SVT amp... I know I have been going back and forth about this sound (because it is so elusive) but since the last update...

A reliable source told me that Mike used an Acoustic (SS) 370 amp head (not the 360) and the Acoustic 201 Guitar Cab (Horn and 2 x 15 Altecs). The 370 head is somewhat easy to come by but the cabinet is next to non-existent now.

I have procured both of these pieces and will post a small demo if it turns out to be "IT". I am sure about the rest of the signal chain but wanted to just give an update on the amplification info.

Don't mean to drag this thread on forever.. but thought those interested might enjoy reading this new information (or misinformation).

Jim
 
#51
I still wonder why Mike used flatwound strings on the Lamb and Trick of The Tail and their subsequent tours when he was a Swing Bass user for all the other albums/tours of the 70's. Just trying something different I guess. I love MR and he is one of my biggest influences but I was never a big fan of that sound he got from the Microfrets baritone bass and the flatwounds. It was still an interesting experiment for him though.
 

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