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Genz Benz GBE 750 users...

GBE750 review:
I'm sure it's a great amp for some, but definately not for me.
With either passive or active instruments, I can drive it into clip relatively easily. It's got huge power, but at least with this particular unit I'm unable to realise it's potential.
I confirmed with Jeff Genzler by phone that I was setting it up correctly:
The GBE750 has gain and volume for each channel. To set up each channel's limiter (like many amps) while hitting hard turn up the input gain til the o/l light starts to ping lightly, back off, then set channel volume and then master volume. Similar (and slightly more complicated by the addition of both channel and master volumes) to eden, swr, tfb, etc.
Plug in my passive 51 P, run thru the setup moves, play...great sound, but turn up either channel or master volume much, and the master clip starts lighting up and things get a little audibly crunchy. This is with the input limter set properly.
Same results with several other passive basses, even using the active setting with hot passive basses.
Initial tone is clean, fat and powerful in the FET section. The tube section is nice for a tube section as long as you don't drive it. Then it gets woolly and too distorted for me.
For an amp that is supposed to have 6db of head room once the clip light starts to flash, this was a disappointment to me. I had hoped this amp would have massive clean headroom. This proved not to be the case for me. I don't know if I had a bad unit, or what...??? Let me add that *I like clean tone,* and I do not use the tube drive on my Navigator at all for the same reason.
I ran thru all this with all eq set flat.
To help put my idea of "clean" in perspective, I find that my TFB420 delivers what I need in spades, even at very high volumes. I find that my Eden wt800B, and Eden Navigator/qsc-plx deliver suitably clean power for me as well-though each of these have their own unique "character."
I find I can achieve far more volume than I need with any of these, without them driving into audible clip.
Overall the GBE750 has a slammin' aggressive tone that I would call "more Music Man than Jazz Bass" when trying to put it in "bass analogy terms." This is an amp that will suit some folks needs very well (given it works better than the unit I had), but it was definately not my flavor, and definately not a great choice for doubling-which is of paramount importance to me.
Bummer, cause I really wanted to like the GBE750. It specs out great!
Lastly let me add that Jeff Genzler was great to work with thru this whole deal. We spent a lot of time talking about the amp and my needs prior to purchase, and he was very interested in hearing my problems and trying to resolve them.

chef
 
Great review. Sorry that amp didn't work out for you. As you know, I was interested in that amp also from its very good specs on paper. I guess sometimes great specs on paper in a very reasonably priced amp do not really tell the story once you get it on the gig.
 
KJ;
I still think that perhaps the unit I tested was glitchy. For those who want a really agressive sounding amp a properly functioning gbe750 may be the shizzle. I feel that even if this unit had been working properly, it would not double well, which pretty well rules it out for me.
 
I found that a really interesting read there Chef. I recently picked up a Genz Benz GBE 500H, which is the precursor to the 600 which is the precursor to the 750.

I play it through my Bergantino HT210s and my fretless Bongo and fretted Sterling and I definately don't lack for clean headroom. I was jamming with my brother this weekend against a Mesa dual rectifier, a loud drummer and a rythm guitarist, and I didn't have to move the volume dial above 3. I wouldn't call my tone aggressive, but it is warm, which is kinda what I was looking for.

I am very happy with mine, but then again I only payed $320 for mine so perhaps my expectations were lower. However if I ever come across a used Thunderfunk, I will be very interested.

PS. How is Columbia these days?
 
Columbia is still here, despite Mother Nature's best attepmts to destroy us latey. Many tornadoes two weeks ago, hundreds of homes and businesses in surrounding communities destroyed, 10+ killed...skipeed over Columbia mostly with just minimal hail damamge-none to me. Big snowstorm last night stayed north of th I-70 line and merely dusted us...
 
please note that our specs. are very conservative. We use a different pot taper then other bass amp manufacturers. This is due to our pro audio background.

Our db comes on sooner in our knob position then with some other amps. So, if company "A" starts to clip with their knob position at say 12 o'clock, it may seem odd that ours, depending on eq'ing, comes on at 10:00.

But now, if you compare the output and clean headroom doing an A/B, you should find that our head produces as the specs. say.
 
Hey Hasbeen;
Thanks for your comments...I don't care where the clip light comes on. My beef isn't that "the clip light comes on early in terms of knob rotation," but rather that the unit I had clipped *audibly* waaay before I could use the headroom that seemed as though it ought to be available. With the unit I had, with input gain set at about 3, and channel and master volumes set at about 5, the amp was audibly clipping. Not just "clip light engaging."
This, to me, seemed like it left much of the amps available massive volume inaccessable to me.
 
Had practice tonight and used my GB750 for the first time... This is one loud amp!! One thing I did notice is that the low end seems a bit weak without activating the global tone shaping "L.F. Extend" circuit. I am not entirely sold on the frequencies selected for the mid controls, but I really need to spend more time with it. One question for HasBeen if you're listening:
I play a Status with an 18v pre-amp and yet I couldn't get the O/L LED to flash on the tube circuit. I cranked the gain and hammered on my bass, and nada. Any thoughts?? The tube circuit did have a nice growl when cranked up to around 3 o'clock and the level around 10-11 o'clock. I couldn't get the master volume past 9 o'clock though... it was too loud!
I need to spend some time when the rest of the band isn't standing around waiting for me to "stop screwing around" and then I will be able to give a more comprehensive evaluation. By the way, I'm playing it through two Goliath 4x10s... an older one without the port on the bottom and a newer one with (III).
 
I love my GBE750. It is loud, powerful, clean, and with a little tweaking, I can get a nice warm sounding growl out of my GB 410T-XB2 cab. I had the opportunity to try a Neox 212 with the XB2 and it totally blew me away. This amp has serious low end with these cabs and for me I can say I am satisfied. I still would like to hear this amp with a Berg HT-322 cab though.
 
I just spent some more time in the music store with a GB750/410 XB-2 rig. There was no one in there, so we got to really crank it a bit and see what it could do. I was VERY impressed with the volume it was putting out, and it had more to go. It really seemed to have plenty of clean power on tap.

I was considering getting the 410 and going with the GB1200, but after playing with the 750 more today, I really don't think I will be needing more power than the 750 is putting out. It'll save me a couple hundred bucks, and about 10 lbs in my rack. But, I will have a couple weeks to decide which head I want to go with.
 
Well, I bit the bullet today and went and picked up the GB410T XB-2 cabinet today. I am still trying to decide if I want to go with the 1200 or the 750 for a head. I am leaning towards the 750, so that is probably what I will pick up next weekend.
 
Ryan Lunneborg said:
Well, I bit the bullet today and went and picked up the GB410T XB-2 cabinet today. I am still trying to decide if I want to go with the 1200 or the 750 for a head. I am leaning towards the 750, so that is probably what I will pick up next weekend.

Hey Ryan! The GBE750 will do just fine. I just bought a Neox 212 today to go with my GB 410T-XB2 cab and it was mega loud and powerful. I play in a hard rock/metal group and on stage I was blowing the soundman away with this setup. My levels never go past the 12 o'clock mark and I still get no clipping just a nice warm growl out of the amp/cabs. You will be totally pleased with the GBE750. Best amp and cabs (next to Berg's) that I have ever played through and I have tried dozens of manufactures. If you have any questions about the Genz Benz gear let me know.

Oh! And by the way I play Modulus Quantum 5's as well.
 
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Here is my 750. i had an ampeg svt 3 before this. and let me say this is 10x as good.
 
gambit99 said:
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Here is my 750. i had an ampeg svt 3 before this. and let me say this is 10x as good.

nice pic. Thanks for your support.
 
BassSteve said:
Had practice tonight and used my GB750 for the first time... This is one loud amp!! One thing I did notice is that the low end seems a bit weak without activating the global tone shaping "L.F. Extend" circuit. I am not entirely sold on the frequencies selected for the mid controls, but I really need to spend more time with it. One question for HasBeen if you're listening:
I play a Status with an 18v pre-amp and yet I couldn't get the O/L LED to flash on the tube circuit. I cranked the gain and hammered on my bass, and nada. Any thoughts?? The tube circuit did have a nice growl when cranked up to around 3 o'clock and the level around 10-11 o'clock. I couldn't get the master volume past 9 o'clock though... it was too loud!
I need to spend some time when the rest of the band isn't standing around waiting for me to "stop screwing around" and then I will be able to give a more comprehensive evaluation. By the way, I'm playing it through two Goliath 4x10s... an older one without the port on the bottom and a newer one with (III).

what type of tone are you looking for? Also please know I replied to your PM. Also, if the input LED didn't light up with the gain cranked, you need to raise the level of that channel. Please be advised though that with most amps on the market, your input stage is also affected by the EQ'ing after it. So those settings are needed to really help.