Genzler Amplification Club

[Joeykun]

Rig shot during sound check. Got some audio of the rig during sound check too. I will post that when I can.

 

[Discount Saint]

Rig shot during sound check. Got some audio of the rig during sound check too. I will post that when I can.
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I can't wait to get a 115 to pair with the 210 I just got, but it will be interesting in the meantime to have the 210 under two 112s.

 

[SteveC]

Gotta think the BA15/BA210 stack hasn’t to be the best out there. Glad I don’t need a big stack. I’d need a new vehicle as well. MG350/112 combo baby. Fits almost anywhere.

 

[Discount Saint]

Gotta think the BA15/BA210 stack hasn’t to be the best out there. Glad I don’t need a big stack. I’d need a new vehicle as well. MG350/112 combo baby. Fits almost anywhere.

My plan is to eventually end up with BA210/BA115/BA112 as my rig of doom. Currently it will be BA210/BA112/BA112, which is pretty doomy in and of itself. I may get a chance to try it out this weekend.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

So I'm wondering about something with my Magellan 800. Last week I turned it on and what usually happens is in about 1 second or less there's a click and then the amp is on. What happened was that there was a pause, about 3 or 4 seconds, then the click then "amp on". I shut it down then back on and the same thing happened. It was back to it's normal quick start up the next time I played through it. What may have caused the amp to behave in that way?

@Modulus 96 ---- thanks for your comments and your experience brings up an interesting design element of the power supply on the amp module.
What you were hearing was the Power Supply sensing what voltage to establish for the correct operation of the amp to the voltage in your home. What may have happened is that you were experiencing a High line condition with your power at home, some times there can be surges up to 130 or so volts. The Ice module power supply was sensing to set the operating condition of the amp to 115 or the 230 volt range, thus you were hearing the extra clicking. It does get much more complicated than that but basically the amp was deciding if it need to kick in the Voltage-doubler circuitry or not.
Interestingly the SMPS power supply is set to run the amp under 230 volts at all times. If you operate it in the lower range of 87 volts - 140 volts (Japan and USA fall into this range) the power supply senses this upon turn on and kicks in the voltage-doubler which then sets the operating condition for the amp at the higher internal voltage of 220 - 270 volt range (which covers most international countries all the way out to the Australian outback where they do push near 270 volts.) In essence at that time the SMPS needed a couple of extra seconds to make the proper determination.
There was no "fault" with the amp.
Please let me know if this is helpful or if you have any additional questions.

 

[Basselink]

My plan is to eventually end up with BA210/BA115/BA112 as my rig of doom. Currently it will be BA210/BA112/BA112, which is pretty doomy in and of itself. I may get a chance to try it out this weekend.

What are your initial impressions of the 210 alone versus the sound of 2 of the 12-3s, and also using them all together? I'm debating adding a 10-2 as I think I'd like to hear more of what I suspect that could bring but I don't want to go that route if what I really need for the sound in my head is the 210.

 

[Discount Saint]

What are your initial impressions of the 210 alone versus the sound of 2 of the 12-3s, and also using them all together? I'm debating adding a 10-2 as I think I'd like to hear more of what I suspect that could bring but I don't want to go that route if what I really need for the sound in my head is the 210.

I haven't had a chance to put it through it's paces yet, but I'll let you know! Hopefully this weekend I'll have chance to jam with it.

 

[Modulus 96]

@Modulus 96 ---- thanks for your comments and your experience brings up an interesting design element of the power supply on the amp module.
What you were hearing was the Power Supply sensing what voltage to establish for the correct operation of the amp to the voltage in your home. What may have happened is that you were experiencing a High line condition with your power at home, some times there can be surges up to 130 or so volts. The Ice module power supply was sensing to set the operating condition of the amp to 115 or the 230 volt range, thus you were hearing the extra clicking. It does get much more complicated than that but basically the amp was deciding if it need to kick in the Voltage-doubler circuitry or not.
Interestingly the SMPS power supply is set to run the amp under 230 volts at all times. If you operate it in the lower range of 87 volts - 140 volts (Japan and USA fall into this range) the power supply senses this upon turn on and kicks in the voltage-doubler which then sets the operating condition for the amp at the higher internal voltage of 220 - 270 volt range (which covers most international countries all the way out to the Australian outback where they do push near 270 volts.) In essence at that time the SMPS needed a couple of extra seconds to make the proper determination.
There was no "fault" with the amp.
Please let me know if this is helpful or if you have any additional questions.

Thanks for the explanation, it's very interesting to hear about features that never make it to the spec sheet. Provides additional confidence in the hardware, thank you.

 

[Joeykun]

Just finished sound check for today’s shows. I’ll describe how the BA210-3/BA15-3 SLT stack sounds loud in a band setting.

First off these two cabs compliment each other. The 210 punches and the 15 adds a nice round bottom. The arrays give it all a nice clarity. Together notes are nice and full, very punchy and so much definition. I have every knob of the eq on the Magellan 800 set around 11:00 Contour A around 10:00.

I use a Darkglass preamp before the amp set with some mild breakup on the high end and leave the low end clean. This mini stack just sits in nice with my heavy hitting drummer and fills the stage with perfect lows, clear mids and a crisp but not harsh top end.

I love this setup and as a bonus the load in is super easy as each of these cabs are light and manageable.

If you are considering adding either one of these cabs to your existing Genzler rig, do it!! You will love it!

 

[jimb213]

Not sure if this fits in this thread, but I was lucky enough to grab a second hand Genz Benz shuttle 9.0 in near new-in-box condition last week. I reckon it's a good score, as there can't be many that ever made it as far as NZ.

Powered her up for the first time tonight through a GK 210 cab, Tammy BB234 bass -> static & crackles - what the?! Then I remembered some threads on here, so reseated the tube - now brilliant!

Lovely bit of gear - I look forward to learning its nuances and abilities, with my son as a keen, but new bassist.

hmmm... I've been getting some constant static & crackles & things with my Shuttle 6.0 lately (although intermittently)... I'm gonna try fiddling with the tube and see if that fixes it!

 

[Basslehem]

Just finished sound check for today’s shows. I’ll describe how the BA210-3/BA15-3 SLT stack sounds loud in a band setting.

First off these two cabs compliment each other. The 210 punches and the 15 adds a nice round bottom. The arrays give it all a nice clarity. Together notes are nice and full, very punchy and so much definition. I have every knob of the eq on the Magellan 800 set around 11:00 Contour A around 10:00.

I use a Darkglass preamp before the amp set with some mild breakup on the high end and leave the low end clean. This mini stack just sits in nice with my heavy hitting drummer and fills the stage with perfect lows, clear mids and a crisp but not harsh top end.

I love this setup and as a bonus the load in is super easy as each of these cabs are light and manageable.

If you are considering adding either one of these cabs to your existing Genzler rig, do it!! You will love it!

How do you like this setup vs just the BA410?

 

[Joeykun]

How do you like this setup vs just the BA410?

Very similar but more ummmph!

The BA410-3 is a great one cab solution. Paired with the BA15-3 SLT it is a powerhouse rig. The BA210-3 with the BA15-3 SLT sounds like it is one full range cab! But, again very similar between both cabs but with more meat!

 

[MaxSpinrun]

Very similar but more ummmph!

The BA410-3 is a great one cab solution. Paired with the BA15-3 SLT it is a powerhouse rig. The BA210-3 with the BA15-3 SLT sounds like it is one full range cab! But, again very similar between both cabs but with more meat!

Very nice first hand comparison between the two rigs. Your comments are pushing me to possibly adding the BA210-3 SLT to my 15! Thanks for your impressions.

 

[Oori]

Hey fellow Genzler heads, if you already had a 112 SLT, ( which is what I have under a Magellan 800) and you were going to add one more cabinet, what would you do? Currently I tend more towards a p bass sound and I'm playing a p bass and a lull Thunderbird. (But I'm sure jazz bass is somewhere my future as well.) And I want to make sure cuts through well in a live situation, but a really good thump but no muddiness (unless I choose to add it.) Look forward to hearing the voice of experience from all of you. (I've only on this rig for about a month, but I've been dialing in tone with vintage guitar amps for many years. I just need some input on the bass side of things.) Thanks.

 

[mrm56]

Hey fellow Genzler heads, if you already had a 112 SLT, ( which is what I have under a Magellan 800) and you were going to add one more cabinet, what would you do? Thanks.

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[Oori]

Thanks. Is that an SLT on an SLT? Also, how do you set your head & bass for a traditional P sound (I noticed you said you play a 4 string P in your profile). On the bass (A Mike Lull with a passive Lindy Fralin P) I tend to like to roll of a lot (or all) of the tone and crank the volume , but sometimes the amp rumbles in that setting when I turn it up a bit. If I roll off a touch of volume on teh bass that settles teh rumble but lowers the volume. Currently running most EQ at or near noon, in the Drive channel with very little gain, and B contour just a touch past +noon (all per Jeff Genzler's suggestions elsewhere). Any thoughts are welcome.

 

[Cazman]

Thanks. Is that an SLT on an SLT? Also, how do you set your head & bass for a traditional P sound (I noticed you said you play a 4 string P in your profile). On the bass (A Mike Lull with a passive Lindy Fralin P) I tend to like to roll of a lot (or all) of the tone and crank the volume , but sometimes the amp rumbles in that setting when I turn it up a bit. If I roll off a touch of volume on teh bass that settles teh rumble but lowers the volume. Currently running most EQ at or near noon, in the Drive channel with very little gain, and B contour just a touch past +noon (all per Jeff Genzler's suggestions elsewhere). Any thoughts are welcome.

Currently run stacked two BA 12-3 SLT on the MG800. Previously run Ampeg, SWR, Mesa, and GK. NEVER before have I been so satisfied with the fullness and variability in sound. Don’t know if I can find a better combination, but always willing to try. 210-3 with a 12-3? Maybe. Anyone?

 

[Oori]

Thanks. So I'm one SLT away from your rig . And how do you tend to dial it in for a thumpy old school P Bass sound?

 

[Loring]

I would do what you are already doing - roll a bit of bass off and turn up the low mids a bit... you could probably do the same buy increasing your B contour to about 3 o'clock...

 

[Cazman]

Thanks. So I'm one SLT away from your rig . And how do you tend to dial it in for a thumpy old school P Bass sound?

Kind of hard to specify as I rotate many different bass guitars through it.... but.... bumping low mids generally gets me there while adjusting lows to taste/ room. Contour helps with presence in band mix as well. The search is half the fun.... but with this rig you’ll definitely find it.