Genzler Amplification Club

[Double Agent]

Louder in terms of perceived volume? Or, actual SPLs? My "guess" is they would have similar SPL but the 350 with 2 cabs would have more perceived volume due to the increased dispersion, the cabs being closer to your ears, and coupling. However, you might run out of clean headroom a little sooner on the 350.

Now, if you're trying to decide, I would always opt for the more powerful amp instead of the smaller amp and 2 cabs. You can always add a cab later on if you want. But you can't turn a 350 watt amp into an 800 watt amp. Even if you don't need the power of 800 watts, the headroom is nice and the volume is controllable enough to play the smallest rooms without overwhelming them.

 

[dwellers]

Louder in terms of perceived volume? Or, actual SPLs? My "guess" is they would have similar SPL but the 350 with 2 cabs would have more perceived volume due to the increased dispersion, the cabs being closer to your ears, and coupling. However, you might run out of clean headroom a little sooner on the 350.

Now, if you're trying to decide, I would always opt for the more powerful amp instead of the smaller amp and 2 cabs. You can always add a cab later on if you want. But you can't turn a 350 watt amp into an 800 watt amp. Even if you don't need the power of 800 watts, the headroom is nice and the volume is controllable enough to play the smallest rooms without overwhelming them.

Good points all and believe me, I've thought about the fact that the 800 would be more than enough, EVER! I also have no need or interest in the overdrive section though I don't think that's the main draw of that amp. I may go try both combos to see which really cuts through better. Thank you!

 

[JLY]

The overdrive can be dialed to provide just a little bit of grit, which is nice

 

[Bassworship1]

This is my setup for the next 3 nights. Place seats around 3000 and I just took my Warrior Bass with 1 array 210-3 and Genzler 800. The Siund guy wanted to to use there DI Box and I told them To give mine a try. Let's just say they gushed over the tone and even come up afterwards bragging on the bass tone. They had never heard of Genzler before, but they sure know about it now lol.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

Question: from a pure volume perspective, would a Magellan 350 with two BA12-3 (running at 4 ohms and benefiting from all the multiple speaker efficiencies) get louder than an 800 head and a single BA12-3? Qualitative difference too? I ask as I'm trying to decide between a second cab (my preference) or swapping the 350 for an 800. Sorry if it's a dumb question. Oh, and I'm not considering the schlep of two cabs vs. one. It doesn't matter to me.

If I could add my thoughts to your question, running the MG800 at 8 ohms and the MG350 at 4 ohms, you're probably in the same neighborhood for headroom.
Running the MG 350 with two BA12-3 cabs, well you're certainly getting the coupling of the 2 cabs and the multiple array drivers. This would equate to more projection and throw over a single BA12-3 and an MG800.

One thing I've discussed with a lot of players using the Bass Array cabs is the better projection with this design does not mean that your necessarily "louder". I think projection and overall volume are 2 different things. One story is from a player in AZ who moved from a 4x10 and 115 to two BA12-3 cabs. He constantly battled the other players in the band over his volume. After switching to the BA stack, he could be heard much better across the stage without the brute force of volume/output.
This goes to the efficiency of the design and the projection and dispersion characteristics of line array principals.

Hope this helps.

 

[svtb15]

Seen From behind the opening acts drum kit .. It was my FINAL decision for this room. At first I had the 2 cabs side by side, then stacked, but this was the final that i used for the show and most likely from here on out...
Magellan 800, MG212T floor and my older Uber 115 on my road case up in the air. I sold my other uber 115 a few weeks ago..I was going to sell this one too but i may keep it through the summer...

 

[cultrvultr]

If I could add my thoughts to your question, running the MG800 at 8 ohms and the MG350 at 4 ohms, you're probably in the same neighborhood for headroom.
Running the MG 350 with two BA12-3 cabs, well you're certainly getting the coupling of the 2 cabs and the multiple array drivers. This would equate to more projection and throw over a single BA12-3 and an MG800.

One thing I've discussed with a lot of players using the Bass Array cabs is the better projection with this design does not mean that your necessarily "louder". I think projection and overall volume are 2 different things. One story is from a player in AZ who moved from a 4x10 and 115 to two BA12-3 cabs. He constantly battled the other players in the band over his volume. After switching to the BA stack, he could be heard much better across the stage without the brute force of volume/output.
This goes to the efficiency of the design and the projection and dispersion characteristics of line array principals.

Hope this helps.

Jeff, thank you so much for participating in this thread. It's really wonderful having you here weighing in as we all learn about the capabilities of this new equipment in real-world situations.

 

[guitarbrent]

Count me in the club! I just purchased a Magellan 212T about a month ago, and I'm totally smitten with the way this cab grinds. It sounds glorious whether set clean with my Reeves Custom 100 or overdriven with my Germino Lead 55. Deep, focused, loud, and stays together. It's unreal!

 

[guitarbrent]

I'm playing in a funk band right now using the ol P-Bass with flats. My tone is equal parts Cream-era Jack Bruce and King Crimson-era John Wetton, as well as that of the funk masters of yesteryear. Lots of fun with this cabinet with its cutting midrange. It has a very unique sound when overdriven. Here is an example from the other night of us playing tribute to The Meters:
4-17-17 Liver Splash #2 by Auto Wow

 

[thehangingmist]

just saw the Magellan array 10-2 cab! are we discussing that cab in this thread or is there a dedicated thread for the little guy?

 

[bebass]

just saw the Magellan array 10-2 cab! are we discussing that cab in this thread or is there a dedicated thread for the little guy?

I have seen a couple of other threads, but this one is for all the Genzler products; if you have a comment or question about the 10-2 there are several posters here, including me, who have experience with this cab.

 

[thehangingmist]

I have seen a couple of other threads, but this one is for all the Genzler products; if you have a comment or question about the 10-2 there are several posters here, including me, who have experience with this cab.

the youtube clips and the review clips make the cab seem have a more subdued midrange than the 12-3 which seems counter intuitive to me (so am guessing that it is mostly from the players, their settings etc). however the comparison is not as important as the presence of the mid range in the 10-2 cab. for me the lower-mids are my sound and i need a cab for "not so loud jams" and home practice etc and this seems quite worthy of attention

 

[SteveC]

Th problem is that all of Jeff's stuff is awesome. I am struggling with getting either the 350 combo/10-2 mini stack or an 800/BA12-3. I use an amp for home practice and pick up jazz trio/quartet gigs so I don't need a really loud or big rig, but I want it to sound good, more on the FOH side than a traditional bass rig.

 

[bebass]

the youtube clips and the review clips make the cab seem have a more subdued midrange than the 12-3 which seems counter intuitive to me (so am guessing that it is mostly from the players, their settings etc). however the comparison is not as important as the presence of the mid range in the 10-2 cab. for me the lower-mids are my sound and i need a cab for "not so loud jams" and home practice etc and this seems quite worthy of attention

At equivalent SPL level, it appears to my ears that simple EQ can make up for any differences in the cab's response relative to the other. The 10-2, I think, is designed for the purpose you mention, depending on your definition of not so loud jams. I would caution about thinking a single 10" speaker is appropriate for a full rock band rehearsal with a drummer and guitarist, although it may get loud enough it also may be pushing it a bit to do so. But up to that, yes. In other words, I can "get my tone" through either cab. And of course adding a 2nd 10-2 easily puts it into a category of the smaller gigs & rehearsals.

 

[bebass]

Th problem is that all of Jeff's stuff is awesome. I am struggling with getting either the 350 combo/10-2 mini stack or an 800/BA12-3. I use an amp for home practice and pick up jazz trio/quartet gigs so I don't need a really loud or big rig, but I want it to sound good, more on the FOH side than a traditional bass rig.

I assume by "mini stack" you are referring to two 110-2 cabs? My opinion is that this scenario is exactly what this 350/10-2 pair is designed and optimized for. Either setup should work just fine for this application. The 2nd 110 should be at an angle enough so that you may be able to hear it better than a single 112 on the floor. And of course an amp stand would solve that for the 12-3. It is also surprising, to my ears, just how loud a single 10-2/350 combo can be, so it is quite possible that may also work for your application.

 

[SteveC]

My Shuttle 3.0-10T/110 Cab has worked just fine for years. It does get pushed pretty hard for outdoor "art fair" gigs and such. Even though the new 10-2 cabs are likely better (and less boxy/mid forward as Jeff told me) than my Shuttle cabs, I still wonder if a single 12 with plenty of headroom behind it would be a better choice.

I have no doubt that the 350/10-2 combo (for sure with an additional cab) is loud enough, but I don't think I want to be pushing it to the max all the time, do I? Wouldn't I be better off with a larger cab, maybe a more even, less forced tone with the headroom of a Magellan 800?

 

[Tdub77]

My Shuttle 3.0-10T/110 Cab has worked just fine for years. It does get pushed pretty hard for outdoor "art fair" gigs and such. Even though the new 10-2 cabs are likely better (and less boxy/mid forward as Jeff told me) than my Shuttle cabs, I still wonder if a single 12 with plenty of headroom behind it would be a better choice.

I have no doubt that the 350/10-2 combo (for sure with an additional cab) is loud enough, but I don't think I want to be pushing it to the max all the time, do I? Wouldn't I be better off with a larger cab, maybe a more even, less forced tone with the headroom of a Magellan 800?

Yes and keep in mind you can expand much further with the bigger head/cab combo. If it's not going to break you go for the 800/12 array combo...IMO
And there is nothing wrong with using the 800 in smaller practice/venue. It is also very small and light...

 

[SteveC]

Yes and keep in mind you can expand much further with the bigger head/cab combo. If it's not going to break you go for the 800/12 array combo...IMO
And there is nothing wrong with using the 800 in smaller practice/venue. It is also very small and light...

You can always turn down, right. Honestly, the 800/BA12 isn't much more than a 350 combo and an additional cab really so...

 

[bebass]

My Shuttle 3.0-10T/110 Cab has worked just fine for years. It does get pushed pretty hard for outdoor "art fair" gigs and such. Even though the new 10-2 cabs are likely better (and less boxy/mid forward as Jeff told me) than my Shuttle cabs, I still wonder if a single 12 with plenty of headroom behind it would be a better choice.

I have no doubt that the 350/10-2 combo (for sure with an additional cab) is loud enough, but I don't think I want to be pushing it to the max all the time, do I? Wouldn't I be better off with a larger cab, maybe a more even, less forced tone with the headroom of a Magellan 800?

You can always turn down, right. Honestly, the 800/BA12 isn't much more than a 350 combo and an additional cab really so...

The BA110-2 PAIR with the MG350 will give a less strained tone than the MG800 BA112-3- only due to the single cab at 8 ohms versus the 4 ohm load PAIR. I used a MG350/BA110-2 PAIR with a loud drummer and two guitarists with 412's - in REHEARSAL, and it was plenty volume and not strained at all. I wouldn't take that same setup to a loud ROCK bar gig, though; I would take a MG800 and the BA13-3 PAIR. For what I hear you saying as your application, either setup will be fine. It is a point, though, that if you ever decide to upgrade to a 2nd BA112-3 with a MG800, that you should be able to do ANY gig whereas the MG350/BA110-2 PAIR will be able to do a lot of gigs but not all gigs. Another setup, if you can make sure it is stable structurally, would be THREE BA110-2 with the MG800. IF you watch volume, it wouldn't hurt to get a MG800 and a BA110-2 to see if it would work. If it wasn't enough, then you could add one or two more BA110-2s OR turn the BA110-2 around and add a BA112-3 or two. If on the fence that is what I might would do. Either way, neither setup is large and heavy and both are easy to carry. I just did a LOUD rock gig with MG800 and BA112-3 PAIR and it was a joy to carry such a lightweight rig. Not even more than half volume with plenty left over if I had of needed it.

 

[Ryan L.]

As soon as I get done recovering from what the tax man did to me on the 14th, I'm still going to get a pair of the BA12-3s.

I don't like adulting any more. I just wanna spend my money on fun things. Not taxes.