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GIANTS VS. PATRIOTS: WHO. WILL. WIN?
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I'm a Dolphins fan--I was 9 during the 17-0 season and went to all the home games with my father. I've met some of those guys, and I don't want to see their record eclipsed. Simple as that.
I acknowledge the greatness of this Patriots team, but Belichick's poor sportsmanship, Spycam, the presence of Randy Moss and the whininess of golden boy Tom Brady make it easier to root for them to lose.
blah blah blah. the patriots are great, who's whining?
the giants should have won the game though. eli manning is pathetic. his stats will loook better than he actually performed. they were praising is his poise all game btu in actuality he looked scared as hell, and dumped off a few short passes that his receivers converted into decent gains and scores. then when it was crunch time he had that awfull series where he fumbled the ball then wound up making a 3 and out, and also threw an interception. yuck.
the giants should have won the game though. eli manning is pathetic. his stats will loook better than he actually performed. they were praising is his poise all game btu in actuality he looked scared as hell, and dumped off a few short passes that his receivers converted into decent gains and scores. then when it was crunch time he had that awfull series where he fumbled the ball then wound up making a 3 and out, and also threw an interception. yuck.
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You're making some stuff up there - when's Tom been whining? What's Randy do on that team other than perform? (and throw great blocks when it's not his turn to catch?)
It just sounds like sour grapes in the end....
Brady has whined plenty about a so-called "lack of respect" in the past when people don't fawn all over the Pats. I'm sure it's just a motivational tactic, but it's still whiny.
As for Moss, it's easy to be happy when your team's winning every game and you're racking up big individual numbers. As he's shown multiple times in his career, when times get tough (and character's tested), he throws people under the bus or quits.
And the Spycam thing stinks. Do I think the Pats would have beaten the Jets without it? Of course. Doesn't matter, they cheated.
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Being a Pats fan from way back, the Pats have often suffered from a lack of respect. But if noting that there's a lack of respect makes a team whiny, most of the league is guilty of that at least a few times per season.
Moss finally found a system that he can believe in. When you're the talent he is, and have the potential that he does, and nobody tries to get you in the game, it's frustrating. That's what happened to him in past years. Now, I don't advocate what he did, but he's obviously not the 'cancer in the locker room' that everyone thought he'd be. Chalk that up to great coaching.
As do most teams. Yep, that Pats got caught. They also paid the price. Time to move on - none of that had any effect on the great playing they've done this season.
They didn't cheat. They violated the rules about camera placement and were penalized.
Jets were caught doing the same thing against the Pats LAST YEAR. Only difference is the Pats didn't go crying to the NFL Comissioner's office.
You're probably still upset about the snowblower incident.
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We'll see. I think Moss is still the selfish player we all remember. All this winning is the reason why Moss has been quiet.
I don't foresee any hard times for the Pats while Moss is still going to be around. But if he is still on the team when they lose three out of five, start out 5-7, or something like that, you'll see the Moss we all remember.
-Mike
Sure, the Pats didn't get respect in the past--look how many decades it took them to win a Super Bowl, so naturally there was skepticism. (And kudos to you for sticking with them.) But Brady's whined at the same time the team was being lauded (and his talent is a big reason why they've been praised, I admit) and every other commercial featured him and his linemen. It makes him look silly (as does the Miami Vice constant-stubble thing, but that's another matter
).As Mike pretty much said in his response, one season (which isn't even over) doesn't suddenly wipe Moss' slate clean. As I say with TO, let's wait and see.
If most teams do it, why don't most teams get caught? And did they pay enough of a price, or did the NFL go easy on them because the Pats are the current dynasty? I'm biased (so are you, of course), but I thought there was a case for making them forfeit the game. What they did after that game is immaterial in the case. The defense I've consistently heard from Pats fans (not just you) reminds me a little of Nixon's defenders--he didn't need to cheat, either. (And in both cases, the tapes were destroyed.
)HI, you're going to have to help me out on the difference between cheating and violating the rules.
Nah, I forgot about that till you brought it up. I was kind of upset at the time, though, and if the shoe were on the other foot, I'll bet you would have been, too.You're probably still upset about the snowblower incident.
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And did they pay enough of a price, or did the NFL go easy on them because the Pats are the current dynasty? I'm biased (so are you, of course), but I thought there was a case for making them forfeit the game. What they did after that game is immaterial in the case. The defense I've consistently heard from Pats fans (not just you) reminds me a little of Nixon's defenders--he didn't need to cheat, either. (And in both cases, the tapes were destroyed.
We'll have to just agree to disagree on the other stuff, but I wanted to respond to this.
The NFL and the Commissioner looked at the tapes, and saw they didn't influence the outcome of the game. If they had, I'd be right there with you calling for the forfeit. There was a case for it, but since it didn't have an effect, there was no forfeit. Seems reasonable to me.
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Wearing the wrong color socks (rules violation, player gets fined) does not equal cheating.
Having camera video tape opponent coaching staff (rules violation, team and coach gets fined) does not equal cheating.
Videotaping opponent coaching staff AND relaying their calls to your coaching staff (rules violation and cheating). This infraction is considered cheating because the information is being used to gain an unfair advantage during the course of the game. The second half of this example (relaying signals) DID NOT occur therefore, NO CHEATING took place.
See the difference?
The league had plenty of incentive, though, not to take this thing further with the Pats because of who they are. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, too.
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Wearing the wrong color socks (rules violation, player gets fined) does not equal cheating.
Having camera video tape opponent coaching staff (rules violation, team and coach gets fined) does not equal cheating.
Videotaping opponent coaching staff AND relaying their calls to your coaching staff (rules violation and cheating). This infraction is considered cheating because the information is being used to gain an unfair advantage during the course of the game. The second half of this example (relaying signals) DID NOT occur therefore, NO CHEATING took place.
See the difference?
That's an interesting assertion, that the signals weren't relayed to the coaching staff. Was that ever proven? Because I find it VERY hard to believe they stole other teams' signals, but did nothing with them.
That's an interesting assertion, that the signals weren't relayed to the coaching staff. Was that ever proven? Because I find it VERY hard to believe they stole other teams' signals, but did nothing with them.
The final NFL ruling upon review of the material (from both sides) was that no film footage was used during the game. No radio communications gear was on or near the video camera operator. Supposedly all film footage was for archiving for future reference only. The filming and archiving of game films is allowed. This extra camera and the area he was filming was not, because he didn't get prior permission from the Jets organization. If they gave permission it would NOT have been a violation of the rules.
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The Gints had me nervous for a bit there. It seemed they scored on almost every posession (as did the Pats), but alternating scores in the first half is no way to win a game!
The Pats took a lot of disrespect for many years, and it wasn't all undeserved. Until recent years, their only previous glory time was 22 years ago, and even they got throbbed by the Bears in the Super Bowl.
The Pats took a lot of disrespect for many years, and it wasn't all undeserved. Until recent years, their only previous glory time was 22 years ago, and even they got throbbed by the Bears in the Super Bowl.
Unfortunately this whole "spygate" thing is the only thing the haters can come up with now in any discussion about the Pats going 16-0 this year.
All I can say about it is that if anyone out there thinks that THEIR TEAM has never done anything remotely unethical to gain an advantage over another team needs to put down the crack pipe.
The Pats broke a league rule and if you don't agree with the punishment take it up with the NFL since they decided on what should be done.
Everyone needs to just get over it already....
All I can say about it is that if anyone out there thinks that THEIR TEAM has never done anything remotely unethical to gain an advantage over another team needs to put down the crack pipe.
The Pats broke a league rule and if you don't agree with the punishment take it up with the NFL since they decided on what should be done.
Everyone needs to just get over it already....
Yeah, no one is going to be the Patriots is they try to trade scored with them.
I think we've seen how to beat the Patriots in recent weeks, I'm just not so sure there is one team out there with all the components to do so.
-Mike
OK folks, nothing to see here. Games over. Pats won. Congrats to them. I was hoping that the Giants would win, and they put up a good battle, but the Pats showed why they are 16-0. Good job Patriots.
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