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GK MB 200 vs tc electronic bh-250 ? Which one ?

I used both, and I think the difference comes down to the MB having "a sound" and the BH, not so much, which can be good or bad from either side, depending on your wants.

You said you like the "GK sound"…I guess what aspect your talking about matters. The MB does a great, fat, scooped sound and can be bright…brittle even, in a way that the BH can't. The BH is very middle-of-the-road, and can be more of a blank canvas. With the BH, you're going to get pretty much the same thing as you get from the rest of the family (BG/BH...BG sound being tied to and very much colored by the cabinet), where I believe the MB200, to some degree, has its own sound, a little bit different from the MB500 and 800 (that's what I took from forum posts comparing the MB heads…never used the 500 or 800 myself).

I liked the sound, size, weight, EQ of MB200 and wanted very much to like it overall, but I moved on. You mention MB problems…I got hissy unit and went through some gyrations dealing with that, got a second unit that was also hissy and gave up. The only conclusion I could come to from my experience was that some have unacceptable hiss and some don't. I also think it's one of those "what has been heard cannot be unheard" things where expectations and other experiences play into it; also whether or not the cab(s) has an HF driver. If I had used it with a tweeterless cabinet and/or hadn't bought it for bedroom practice, I probably never would have noticed or cared. As far as the other issues that have been mentioned, I think they were specific problems of the kind that some number of any amp model can have. With those kind of things, the great likelihood is that you will fall into the happy majority. I don't think anyone is well served by allowing forum reports of problems be the ultimate deciding factor in these situations.

In terms of basic features, the BH has a tuner and mute; both very handy. The MB has neither.

As far as Toneprints go, that's a feature that adds value (or doesn't) depending on the user. In a situation where someone is basically not an fx guy but wants/needs something like a basic chorus, flanger, or an octaver for one or two songs in the playlist, it can be perfect. It doesn't, practically, replace pedals or a mutli-fx pedal. As you suggested, it can also add value for someone who wants to experiment with the different effects in practice and home recording. The other thing that Toneprints can add is that categories of them are utilities for changing the basic character of the amp (i.e., the drive and compression prints). Personally, beyond some experimentation for fun, I never used them, but I didn't find that having them and choosing not to use them somehow detracted from the amp. I can only think that the sniping (with no specific complaints) about them has an uninformed agenda behind it.

There have been remarks about the "power" of the BH. As it does not have TCE's APM in it, and it has acquitted itself with real-world performance and in real-world comparisons, there's no reason to believe that it doesn't actually sit in the group of 250 watt amps. The suggestion that it compares to 100 watt amps is completely baseless, and again points to misunderstanding of facts and an agenda.

Hopefully you can buy from someplace with a good return/exchange policy. If you can, buy one and try it. If it does what you want, keep it. If not, try the other. If one does what you want, but you're still curious, you can still try the other.
 
I don't think it's the power, because it just hisses w/o anything plugged in. I tried using a UPS. I don't have a power conditioner.

With regard to just the hiss, that's what I found too...it didn't matter whether anything was plugged into it or even whether the "Gain" was at 0. It was affected by the treble level, but never went away, which didn't really matter, because even if it did, completely cutting the treble wouldn't have been an acceptable solution.

I don't believe anything you can do in terms of your power source will impact the hiss. Hums and buzzes, more likely, but not the hissing.
 
It's not too late, but the best I can do is return it, since I bought it used.




I was pretty blown away by how low this thing is with the bass dialed up. It's a massive difference from the guitar tube amp I was using.

Regardless, I think you should return it. I bought my MB200 new from RMC Audio Direct for $199 a couple years ago. Believe me, not all MB200 amps hiss!

Not saying TC Electronics doesn't make good products, I have never been impressed with the bland tone of their amps or cared about the TonePrint feature.
 
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Hi Guys,
been searching the threads and can't find any comparisons or recent comments RE BH-250... anyone used both of these, out in the open?

Which would you say is better out of the two to drive a Hartke 1x 210XL and 1x 115 cabinet (total 4 ohms) ?

I like the 'GK' sound, but some people mentioned hum issues, and dying units... :( would be buying from the USA to use in Australia )

also like the idea of the TC's Tone print for laughs... making practice more fun, but also want a solid little amp i can use for small gigs and rehersal so either seem a good deal...

Don't have the budget for more boutique mini amps (ie Mark Bass or GB etc) or is an amp like an Aguilar ToneHammer 350 really that much better ?

thank you !

As stated previously, the MB200 that I owned had zero hiss, so don't believe all MB200 amps hiss!

I think it is superior to the TC amp.
 
I've been hesitating to respond as you were looking for experience with both amps and I don't have that experience. But after reading other posts, thought I would chime in.

I have owned a GK 400 RB and currently own a 700RB. Never tried the MB series, but, in general, I like the GK tone. Just as much as I like the Ampeg tone and the Mesa tone. Each for what they are. I used to use pedals but for the past couple of years just enjoy plugging directly into the amp for the flavor it brings.

I have multiple cabs - Ampeg, Schroeder and TCE. So, I thought I would try the BH250 since I have a pair of TCE RS210's. I was amazed at the volume that the BH250 was able to generate through the pair of TCE cabs. There was a discernible difference between the volume of the 700RB and the BH250 but I have to admit that I would be perfectly happy using the BH250. The Toneprint capability brings a variety of opinions but if you already use pedals, then the Toneprint is non-factor in my opinion. The addition of a tuner is a definite plus. I like the BH250 because, as someone else stated, the tone is almost like a blank slate.

I would say , if you like the GK tone, get the MB200, if you like a blank slate and use your pedals for tone shaping, consider the BH250.
 
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I think it is superior to the TC amp.

I'm really not attacking you over this or trying to be combative, just giving my view of this statement as an example...

People often ask "Which one is better?", and, most really, that's a question that can't be answered between completely comparable/similar things. I think the questions really being asked (when someone asks of a group, "Which one is better?") are "Which one do you prefer and why?" and "How do you think that preference applies to my situation?"

As was pointed out, we all are allowed to state our opinions, and we're free to frame those opinions however we like. IMO, to give those opinions value and to benefit the discussion, they should be supported and not simply stated as conclusions.

Even when qualified as an opinion with "I think," saying that one "is superior" is rather loaded…attempting to answer the often unanswerable "Which one is better?" with only a conclusion. I think it's out of place in the context of comparing two things where it's already been established that some people prefer one and some people prefer the other, and I also think it detracts from the potential benefit of these types of discussions.

I don't see where you've really said anything more than "I prefer the MB200 because I like the way that it sounds better, and I find no value in the unique features of the BH250 in my situation." I think that saying one "is superior" carries more meaning than that (even if that's not how you intended it, which I assume is the case).

There are some common points of comparison that often include the following (loosely in this order):

1. Price - (often used to group amps for comparison) Objective but typically compared as value, which is subjective

2. Power Rating - (often used to group amps for comparison) Objective as numbers but not necessarily and apples to apples comparison, because the meaning behind the numbers can vary for a number of reasons, including that different implementations of the same technology or different technologies can result in different loudness - which is the ostensible purpose for comparing power ratings.

3. Fanaticism of User-base - (often used to rank) Numbers and level of fanaticism are facts as observances and instances, but I think this is next to useless in helping answer the question "Which one will I prefer?"…Chocolate or vanilla? You can have 99 people say chocolate is better; "Hands down", "No comparison", "Chocolate blows vanilla out of the water" and only 1 person choose vanilla and only give it a lukewarm endorsement. If you compare and prefer vanilla, does that mean that your preference is wrong; that you prefer the inferior flavor? No. It means that your preference is different from the majority in the sample you used.

4. Sound - (often used to rank) Subjective

5. Suitability to Purpose - (often used to exclude) Subjective but can be informed by others' experiences

6. Feature/Specification Set - (often used to rank and/or exclude) Objective in terms of the presence/absence of features and subjective in terms of the value and quality of each of those features.

7. Know/Reported Issues - (often used to exclude) The reports themselves are objective facts, but the meaning of those facts and what impact they should have on one's buying decision are uncertain at best. IMO, this is a "go with your gut" call (I think life's too short to bother with buying something that you're buying and will use with a leery feeling in the pit of your stomach...whether that feeling is truly warranted or not).

8. Build Quality - (often used to rank and/or exclude) Has objective and subjective elements

9. Aesthetics - (often used to exclude) Completely subjective

If we are trying to inform a fellow forum user in order to help them (rather than feeding some ego driven need to sway them to our opinion or to grind some axe) I think we owe it to them to give our take on the subjective aspects and share/discuss/contrast our experiences. Simply giving conclusions and/or sniping remarks doesn't really do that; it often mixes up subjective and objective and is the rhetorical equivalent of declaring that "Chocolate is better than vanilla!"
 
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To clarify, no "axe to grind". I bought a BG250 combo hoping to use it as a loaner instead of the 800RB or 400RB IV which I have trouble getting back. It would be a handy grab and go for impromptu jams. I "grew up" with a volume control, bass, treble and occasional Mid controls. I learned how to get variations from the instrument with my hands. These techniques for the most part were lost on the combo. It seemed to me to "sound" the way TCE decided it should sound, again for the overly sensitive, in my opinion. This made it fail, for me, as a viable choice.
 
I'm really not attacking you over this or trying to be combative, just giving my view of this statement as an example...

People often ask "Which one is better?", and, most really, that's a question that can't be answered between completely comparable/similar things. I think the questions really being asked (when someone asks of a group, "Which one is better?") are "Which one do you prefer and why?" and "How do you think that preference applies to my situation?"

As was pointed out, we all are allowed to state our opinions, and we're free to frame those opinions however we like. IMO, to give those opinions value and to benefit the discussion, they should be supported and not simply stated as conclusions.

Even when qualified as an opinion with "I think," saying that one "is superior" is rather loaded…attempting to answer the often unanswerable "Which one is better?" with only a conclusion. I think it's out of place in the context of comparing two things where it's already been established that some people prefer one and some people prefer the other, and I also think it detracts from the potential benefit of these types of discussions.

I don't see where you've really said anything more than "I prefer the MB200 because I like the way that it sounds better, and I find no value in the unique features of the BH250 in my situation." I think that saying one "is superior" carries more meaning than that (even if that's not how you intended it, which I assume is the case).

There are some common points of comparison that often include the following (loosely in this order):

1. Price - (often used to group amps for comparison) Objective but typically compared as value, which is subjective

2. Power Rating - (often used to group amps for comparison) Objective as numbers but not necessarily and apples to apples comparison, because the meaning behind the numbers can vary for a number of reasons, including that different implementations of the same technology or different technologies can result in different loudness - which is the ostensible purpose for comparing power ratings.

3. Fanaticism of User-base - (often used to rank) Numbers and level of fanaticism are facts as observances and instances, but I think this is next to useless in helping answer the question "Which one will I prefer?"…Chocolate or vanilla? You can have 99 people say chocolate is better; "Hands down", "No comparison", "Chocolate blows vanilla out of the water" and only 1 person choose vanilla and only give it a lukewarm endorsement. If you compare and prefer vanilla, does that mean that your preference is wrong; that you prefer the inferior flavor? No. It means that your preference is different from the majority in the sample you used.

4. Sound - (often used to rank) Subjective

5. Suitability to Purpose - (often used to exclude) Subjective but can be informed by others' experiences

6. Feature/Specification Set - (often used to rank and/or exclude) Objective in terms of the presence/absence of features and subjective in terms of the value and quality of each of those features.

7. Know/Reported Issues - (often used to exclude) The reports themselves are objective facts, but the meaning of those facts and what impact they should have on one's buying decision are uncertain at best. IMO, this is a "go with your gut" call (I think life's too short to bother with buying something that you're buying and will use with a leery feeling in the pit of your stomach...whether that feeling is truly warranted or not).

8. Build Quality - (often used to rank and/or exclude) Has objective and subjective elements

9. Aesthetics - (often used to exclude) Completely subjective

If we are trying to inform a fellow forum user in order to help them (rather than feeding some ego driven need to sway them to our opinion or to grind some axe) I think we owe it to them to give our take on the subjective aspects and share/discuss/contrast our experiences. Simply giving conclusions and/or sniping remarks doesn't really do that; it often mixes up subjective and objective and is the rhetorical equivalent of declaring that "Chocolate is better than vanilla!"


As stated previously, I prefer the unique voicing of the GK amps. My preference is the sound of GK amps over TC amps.
I also mentioned that the MB200 is extremely powerful.

I've owned GK products and have played many TC amps at the GC. Sound wise, I have not been overwhelmed by any of the TC amps.
The TonePrint feature is great feature if you love the sound of the TC BH250 amp.

I will change my statement to, "I prefer the unique voicing of the GK MB200 over the transparent voicing of the TC BH250 and other TC amplifiers.

I've had zero reliability issues with the GK products that I've owned (MB200, GK NEO 115 lll, GK 700 RB ll), and the build quality has been top notch.

Ultimately, a musician should A\B the amps before purchasing.
 
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Ultimately, a musician should A\B the amps before purchasing.

That is essentially what I'm going to do in a few days when the Ampeg Portaflex 350 arrives.
If the PF350 has the same problem as the GK, then I will know it's my environment/guitars that are the problem.

Then I'll have to decide if I'm taking one back or both, since my 18 watt guitar tube amp doesn't have that problem.
 
That is essentially what I'm going to do in a few days when the Ampeg Portaflex 350 arrives.
If the PF350 has the same problem as the GK, then I will know it's my environment/guitars that are the problem.

Then I'll have to decide if I'm taking one back or both, since my 18 watt guitar tube amp doesn't have that problem.

Seems like you have everything under control. :thumbsup:
 
To clarify, no "axe to grind". I bought a BG250 combo hoping to use it as a loaner instead of the 800RB or 400RB IV which I have trouble getting back. It would be a handy grab and go for impromptu jams. I "grew up" with a volume control, bass, treble and occasional Mid controls. I learned how to get variations from the instrument with my hands. These techniques for the most part were lost on the combo. It seemed to me to "sound" the way TCE decided it should sound, again for the overly sensitive, in my opinion. This made it fail, for me, as a viable choice.

That's essentially fair. The BG250 is a combo that you didn't care for the sound of…nothing wrong with that. The BG250, particularly the 115 model has a strongly voiced cabinet. That voicing isn't a winner with everyone. Nothing wrong with saying you didn't like it and why.

Two things though…one is that this thread wasn't really about the BG250 and the other is that you have something of a history of presenting your opinions on certain amps with a pejorative spin, usually with some sideways slap or dig thrown in. You're allowed to do that within the bounds of the forum rules, but it's recognized for what it is by a number of people.

Here, for example, where as with most of these comparison threads, there are people who prefer one or the other of the amps being compared, you state your preference and give your opinion that the BH250 might be fine relegated to use by inexperienced bassists. That is pejorative. That's one of your little digs. It's pejorative because there are, in fact, experienced bassists who prefer the BH250.

Even in this last post you say "It seemed to me to sound the way TCE decided it should sound"…and there's the B-string spin again. Every amp (especially combo amps) sounds the way the maker decided it should sound. You word and frame it as though it's some absolute shortcoming that's unique to the BG250.

There are two possibilities as to what would cause you to do this; you either do it intentionally or you do it unintentionally. It seems to me that if you are doing it intentionally, it's with the intention of antagonizing and baiting other posters. If you do it unintentionally, it would seem to be because of your constitution…after all, you have described yourself as a "grumpy old fart" when it comes to bass gear by your group membership and identification. What more could be expected of you in that case? And in either case, I think "an axe to grind" is the shoe that fits.
 
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Well, I might as well mention it, even though you got rid of the GK. I got a MB200 with the same issue, off the TB Classifieds. The seller was perfectly up-front about the problem, and knocked down the price by a lot. He said that the hum went away when something was plugged into the "aux in" jack on the back, apparently a known problem that GK fixed under warranty for most people. The seller said he didn't want to deal with the warranty service.

I jammed a piece of a roofing nail into the jack, which now resides there permanently, and have been happy with the amp for a couple years.
 
That's essentially fair. The BG250 is a combo that you didn't care for the sound of…nothing wrong with that. The BG250, particularly the 115 model has a strongly voiced cabinet. That voicing isn't a winner with everyone. Nothing wrong with saying you didn't like it and why.

Two things though…one is that this thread wasn't really about the BG250 and the other is that you have something of a history of presenting your opinions on certain amps with a pejorative spin, usually with some sideways slap or dig thrown in. You're allowed to do that within the bounds of the forum rules, but it's recognized for what it is by a number of people.

Here, for example, where as with most of these comparison threads, there are people who prefer one or the other of the amps being compared, you state your preference and give your opinion that the BH250 might be fine relegated to use by inexperienced bassists. That is pejorative. That's one of your little digs. It's pejorative because there are, in fact, experienced bassists who prefer the BH250.

Even in this last post you say "It seemed to me to sound the way TCE decided it should sound"…and there's the B-string spin again. Every amp (especially combo amps) sounds the way the maker decided it should sound. You word and frame it as though it's some absolute shortcoming that's unique to the BG250.

There are two possibilities as to what would cause you to do this; you either do it intentionally or you do it unintentionally. It seems to me that if you are doing it intentionally, it's with the intention of antagonizing and baiting other posters. If you do it unintentionally, it would seem to be because of your constitution…after all, you have described yourself as a "grumpy old fart" when it comes to bass gear by your group membership and identification. What more could be expected of you in that case? And in either case, I think "an axe to grind" is the shoe that fits.

You are of course, welcome to your opinions as well.
If my percieve style offends anyone's sensitivities, I apologize and please feel free to use the ignore function as has been pointed out by Mods on this forum more than once. I won't be offended.
 
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Portaflex 350 it is, thanks!
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From my experience with the PF500 (and to the degree that the PF350 and PF500 are similar), I'd expect that could be a good choice.

I went through a handful of buy-n-try amps, and the PF500 struck me as not doing anything remarkable for me by itself, but in a band setting, it really delivered what I considered a great bread and butter sound that fit in perfectly doing rock covers. For me, it required the least adjustment to suit my tastes and got good comments from people who didn't necessarily even notice some of the other amps.

I was searching for the perfect backup and bedroom practice amp at the time, and I didn't keep it for two reasons: I found the fan too loud for practice and I personally felt it was butt ugly. I know that shouldn't matter to some people and to others, it's a thing of beauty, but I just couldn't bond with it on that basis.

Good luck with it.
 
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You are of course, welcome to your opinions as well.
If my percieve style offends anyone's sensitivities, I apologize and please feel free to use the ignore function as has been pointed out by Mods on this forum more than once. I won't be offended.

Thanks, but I don't need you to tell me that I'm free to use the ignore function.

FWIW, I don't see using that on you because I've seen you make what I consider valuable contributions of information. As to your manner, again, I'm aware that a number of people recognize it for what it is. I feel that I do, and I find it amusing, more than anything else.
 
He said that the hum went away when something was plugged into the "aux in" jack on the back,

I just tried it on mine, jacked in a set of headphones. No dice.


Good luck with it.

Thanks!
I was just thinking to myself earlier that all my guitars & basses, except one, have humbuckers, so this noise issue shouldn't be a problem for me.
Ironically the single coils in my Strat are quiet as a mouse, but they are Lace Sensors.