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going from protools to logic?

MaddogMonument

MaddogMonument

Jun 23, 2009
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#1
hi been a while since i posted but,

iv been using protools for 3 year. plus i took two sumesters of it in school.owned a protools rig sold it because i needed money for school. now i transferred to CC and i have money to build another rig:hyper:.

I'm thinking about logic because i hear good things about it.

how hard is it learn how to use logic after being a protools user?:help:

do you have to buy expensive plug-ins like in protools?:confused:

also any suggestions for an interface like the m-box. I'm looking for something that has firewire for my mac,midi,XLR,and 1/4 inch on the interface.
 
#2
Logic has a ton of built in plugins. It's questionable as to whether or not you'll like them. I like some of them (I.e. stereo delay, compression), and hate others (reverb, frequency analysis).

It's ready to go without anything external, but it can definitely be improved upon. If I was a ProTools guy, I'd probably stick with it. The reality is that all DAW's do basically the same thing. That said, I use Logic every day.
 
#4
I like what the Space Designer can do, and the fact that you can load third party IR's into it without using something like Kefir. That said, it is a system resources hog. By far the biggest use of resources by a single plugin available natively in Logic... At least IME.

At the end of the day, I still use third party stuff for IR's, reverbs, and frequency analysis, while using Logic's native plugins for pretty much everything else (compression, delays, modulation, and EQ cover everything I do natively).
 
#5
Is there something wrong with Pro Tools that makes you want to change, or is it just curiosity?

I bought my first macbook this spring and tried out Logic Express 9, with the intention to upgrade if I liked it. I must say I greatly prefer PT9. For me, just about everything about the interface is better. I haven't had any problems using the plugins that comes with except that I miss a good amp-sim.
I'm currently studying music production and the studio where I do most of my work is HD based, so having PT at home makes it easier for me as well.

I use Echo Firewire interfaces (a 2/2 for portable use and a 12/12 for bigger recordings) on my laptop and have been very happy with both the sound and price. The M-Audio stuff gets good reviews as well. I used to own one of those M-Audio pci-based cards with a 8/8 breakout box. Served me well for a few years before a mate trashed the power adapter. :p
 
#6
+1

Find an DAW that works well for you and the way you produce/engineer/mix, and go with it. There's nothing wrong with learning multiple DAW's, but at the end of the day you're doing the same thing on any of them. When I was looking at new DAW's when I left the stone age of Adobe Audition 3.0, I tries PT, Logic, and finally Cubase. Logic made the most sense to me, so that's the direction I took, but could have been perfectly happy on any of the others, and likely on Reaper as well.
 
#7
silky smoove said:
I like what the Space Designer can do, and the fact that you can load third party IR's into it without using something like Kefir. That said, it is a system resources hog. By far the biggest use of resources by a single plugin available natively in Logic... At least IME.

At the end of the day, I still use third party stuff for IR's, reverbs, and frequency analysis, while using Logic's native plugins for pretty much everything else (compression, delays, modulation, and EQ cover everything I do natively).
Click to expand...

That's the nature of IR, expensive computations so it needs a moderately fast CPU. Not that the new Macs like this 17" MBP (with 512Gb SSD) just screams with Logic.
 
#10
Manndreas said:
Is there something wrong with Pro Tools that makes you want to change, or is it just curiosity?
Click to expand...

no i love protools i swear on it but...

getting a protools rig is so much more expensive and ima collage student :crying:, and logic is getting trendy:cool:. so i was thinking ehh lets see opinions on it.

also i hate the fact for protools i basically pay for any of the good plug ins :hiding:

i might just save up get my self protools le and a avid m-box.

but keep posting guys. if i get enough good feedback about logic, i might go in to it myself
 
#12
Logic is really good, as it follows the apple mindset of everything is easy and can done with just one mouse click. For example, you don't have to create aux busses like in protools, because they are created automatically once you create an aux send.

Some plug-ins are great too, although some of them sound just like what they are, cheap.
The metering tools in logic aren't really good either. but at least you get a wide offering of them, unlike with pro tools.

That being said, Logic costs $499 and there are no Educational discounts AFAIK.
Protools 10 costs $299 for students, you get free plug-ins and software instruments, not as many as with logic though.
 
#13
I use Logic, Pro Tools and Reaper. I've been using Logic for the least amount of time but it's my favourite of the three, it's quicker to demo stuff and that's most of what I do.

But when I ultimately end up producing a quality recording I switch to Pro Tools (usually Pro Tools) or Reaper, simply because their sessions are more portable and I'll probably end up using other people and other studios so portability becomes more important than convenience.

So if I could only have one I'd probably stick with Pro Tools.
 
#15
what do you need? how many inputs, mic-pres?

you could get a Avid Mbox Pro (Mbox Pro with Pro Tools 9) | Sweetwater.com, just make sure you get the software update to PT10. Plus you get more plug-ins than just the ones included with PT.

If you don't like the m-box interface just get a copy of PT10 (student version) for $299 and look for an interface that suit your needs. in you price range, I like presonus interfcaes because they are affordable and have nice features.

-http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FireStuProj/

other options are:

-http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Duet2/ (great pres and AD/DA converters) USB though
-http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
-http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SaffirePro40/
 
#16
I've worked for a long time in a studio based around pro tools HD, and I've worked on remote sessions a long time with Logic setup.

I have to say I have no preference, overall, but there are definite strengths to each. Pro tools approaches groups and editing a lot better, IMO. Its taken me a while to get BIG edits on logic as fluid as they feel on PT. This can be a make or break as although it may not be the case all the time a big edit can be an terribly painful experience and anything to lessen the blow is very welcome!

You can edit the same way in logic more or less, but the fade approach doesn't work out quite as well as pro tools, both the manual fades and the auto fades in PT work a bit better than logic. And Logics waveform dispaly is not as accurate so you are in the dark a LITTLE bit more than PT.

I must stress this is minor, and won't affect the outcome, but when you are knee deep in an awful sessionany extra boost top workflow can help.

That aside, logics flex editing is a lot more fully featured than pro tools' elastic audio, and once the little glitches in slicing mode are sorted then Logic's editing and will be better than pro tools'.

Logic does a LOT more than pro tools, a LOT more! It is infinitely more customizable, has a better piano roll and score editor (by miles if you include the extra editing options it gives you), has many more plugins and has many workflow benefits such as automated commands to do things like name regions, cut sections out and duplicate (in one click) and many more besides.

Using the marquee tool logic works very much like pro tools but with a few extra features that make editing even easier ASIDE from the waveform/region display andfade stuff.

Logic has many very useable plugs and synths included in the package. the compressor is great, the eq very good, and little tools like the tape delay, chorus, overdrive and auto tune plugs off set the cost by quite a lot when you consider the PT alternatives.

As with any program that does so much there are quite a few bugs in Logic that you have to learn to live with, its just the way it is unfortunately.

For a straight up recording sesh I'd go pro tools, but for anything that may end up being a more involved session I convert to logic.

Outside of actual work, pro tools is a stable and easy program that will get the results you want within a select field. Logic is a mammoth program that I have been learning for 6 years and still have huge areas I haven't needed to explore yet, it is amazing. The customizability is insane and the hidden features are bigger by FAR than the normal, PT like ones.

Both will record a hit record with ease, the rest is up to the user :)
 

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