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Got fired from my church gig...

Brad Johnson

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Mar 8, 2000
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This should be fun.
:D

I subbed at a medium sized church for most of 2009 and they asked me to come on full time for 2010. I took a lower saleary than I normally would because I was playing with another musician I work with on a regular basis. Throughout my time subbing I frequently got comments that I showed up more consistently on time and prepared than the regular members. people in the congregation seemed very happy with what I was doing.

By November 09 they had driven the then music minister out and the assistant MM took over. They decided to do away with all amps onstage and have the musicians only use monitors. I was told their equipment setup ran in excess of $200k. They decided to have myself and the guitarist share a monitor, which as the main source of sound seemed like a bad idea. It was in practice.

To go along with the $200k+ system they had a volunteer soundperson who knew nothing about digital boards... and yes, that worked out about as well as could be expected. For some reason the sound in the shared monitor was always distorted to the point where it was not only difficult to hear onesself, it was also extremely difficult to hear the keyboards. A bonus was having a keyboardist who would regularly play chord changes differently from one verse to the next and it was trying to say the least.

I offered many times to help them troubleshoot the sound problem and for some reason they never got around to doing it, repeatedly saying it must be a bad chord. I told them that while that might be a part of the problem, the instruments volume going up and down independent of each other, the complete dropouts and just generally bad quality of sound only when someone was sitting at the board were likely not coincidental.

On a fairly regular basis the MM would wait until Saturday, sometimes even very early Sunday before giving me the names of the music we'd be doing Sunday morning. Later on he found a hosting site for some of the music but even then he'd often tell me to just youtube the songs, not giving me an artist name nor version more often than not. This was in spite of me asking for music during the week so I could listen to it. In any event, even though I often worked Saturday nights I'd get on the music, chart it out and be prepared to play it each week.

There's a lot more that went on and I can get into that if needed. Because of the jacked up sound onstage at a full rehearsal we once again talked about how to fix it. I told them that for me the best thing would be to have a small amp that actually sounded like a bass guitar so I could hear what I was doing. The MM asked me if I'd use one of mine and I suggested they sell the big rig they were no longer using and get something smaller. The MM asked that I look into it and made it clear that we would try it with an amp.

I brought a small combo amp (smaller than the monitor we had) in the following Sunday and sounded 100% better. The guitarist still sounded distorted, so did the rest of the mix that we had in our monitor, I was just relieved that my sound for once didn't suck. I didn't play loudly, it was simply more clear.

Out of the blue a couple of days later the MM texted me and asked if I had left with my hat on Sunday. He also said the pastor asked what was up with me, I never speak to him. He also asked why there was an amp onstage.
:hmm:

I called the MM and asked what was going on. He told me what the pastor had supposedly said and I was pretty surprised, considering how I had spoken to him every time I was around him and we even talked about cars on one occassion. I asked how he answered the question about the amp, which he had told me to bring in and he didn't tell the pastor that he had okayed it. Typically when BS pops up it's for a reason. I talked to my friend, told him what happened and told him what I thought was going on: they're either trying to get me to quit or barring that, they're going to fire me. Never mind the fact that they had no reason to fire me, I was easily the most consistent performer there, I didn't create any problems and I dealt with the hand they gave me like a professional.

A couple of days later I got another text from the MM. He said he knew I was frustrated (even though I'd stopped saying anything about the sound) and that he and the new music director under him and the pastor were frustrated with me. I was not the fit they were looking for even though I was a great bassist so I was fired effective the end of the month.

Call me Kreskin. More to come...
 
Seems like you are getting out of a bad situation. At least try to get a real meeting with them to discuss whatever it is they are talking about.

While they could be irritated that you keep pointing out their bad decisions, you might also hear some good feedback about how you handle yourself. keep an open mind.
 
Sounds like good riddance to me. Just because it's a church gig doesn't mean you have to completely check your knowledge and experience at the door. Sounds like they have more issues than you. I play for free so my experience is different than others I guess.
 
I've been doing the Worship Team thing for the past year. No pay, that's cool because I LOVE it..

Crappy P.A. but team members that are open to most things if approached respectfully.

Example: They had a little Traynor bass amp (100 watts I think). I told them I had purchased a new rig and wanted to use it when I was to play (rotation schedule). No problems. I had respectful volume and the leader stated that he hoped I chose to bring my rig (rack: Crown Xti 1000 power amp; Pod Xt Pro, BBE sonic Maximizer) through a Hartke 4-10 (neo) with my bass being a spector NS-2J (U.S. bolt-on-spalted maple).

Either way, open minds, respectful communication in a place of worship. Yes, Christians walking the walk, not just talking the talk. I like this place !!

My blood pressure rose as I read your story! Anything to add to the story, I'm hooked!

Marc
 
Shake off the dust from your sandals and move on :D

Sorry to hear about the problem but believe me I understand. I worked for the Catholic church for 10 years (not as a musician). I consider the time as "bownie points" with God for all the BS I endured.

Cheers!
 
I am SOOOOO glad our pastor leaves the worship and sound to the musicians and sound people. That's all I have to say about that...

We went to aviom in ears a few years ago, which are wonderful for that type of setting. I miss having an amp on stage, but with the subs I can at least feel a little bit of bass moving my feet along with hearing it in the in ears. In the case of playing fretless, which I use 75% of the time on Sundays now, the in ears are better because I can boost the piano, bass and drums to where I want them to sit in the mix to hear my intonation better and still hear the drums too. I pan one guitar hard right and the other hard left, piano, drums and bass up the middle, lead vocals right, backing vocals left, keys and sax opposite pans just right or left of center. The aviom system is expensive, but totally worth it if your church has the money for it.
 
It's really sad that this sort of thing goes on at Church. I've seen plenty of baloney first hand as well. Totally bizarre...I'd like to know more personally...

Do you have any reason why they wouldn't want you around anymore? Personally I've noticed some people are truly turned off by people trying to do a great job.
 
That is just wrong on their part. Could it be something about how you look? Are they old fuddy-duddys (that is the first time I EVER typed that!) who think your hair is too long, or in a ponytail? Is there a Megadeath bumper-sticker on your car? Is your bass shaped like Satan? Seriously, find a new church. Take some of your friends with you. Don't bad-mouth anyone, just say your Spirit is being lead in a new direction.

X8
 
Yeah...I don't understand the Biblical implications of having an amp onstage.
My church does it and a lot of other churches do as well...

Man, reading your story made me love the peeps at my church even more (sorry dude :D) We've got a professional set up with abundant monitors, subwoofers, dedicated A/V roster, amps on stage, an open minded congregation, the works!

But I do hope that this misfortune does not sour your perspective on Christians and most importantly, God!
 
The stories like this continually make me thankful for our 5,000 watt PA, skilled sound crew who love amps, live drums, etc. and a Pastor who likes it loud. We have earplugs available in bulk at the back too! I'm sure you'll find something better Brad.
 
I got fired from a church gig once... right as the service was starting and the MD was counting us off for the first tune, I stepped on my cord and it pulled out of my bass, creating a pop heard all through the building over the PA, along with the four letter f-word I said over a hot mike.

You'll find another one, Brad.
 
Since I was genuinely curious about what they were frustrated with me about, I called the new MD, told him about the text and the first thing he said was:

"They put me in that?"

He didn't seemed pleased. He said he suggested we get together to air things out based on the one episode atthe first rehearsal he attended: I as usual sounded like Hendrix with all of the distortion but had decided that it was pointless to even bring it up anymore. That I would deal with it with a smile. The MM asked me how the sound was and I said it was okay, I'm fine with it. Because I was. And he could hear what I was hearing.

A couple of minutes later he asked again and I again told him it was okay.

A few minutes later he asked if it was better and I told him "No, it's not better, it's the same... who cares?"

That really set him off. He asked if nobody cares why are we there. I responded that if somebedy cared yet nobody has attempted to actually fix the problem, what's the difference?

He asked me what could be done to fix it and I told him the same things that I had repeatedly suggested but had not been done even though I'd been suggesting them for over four months.

We took a break and I ended up talking to the MD at length along with other musicians about what was going on. He had no idea and it was clear that I wasn't the only one with a set of ears. he agreed that if you aren't going to fix something, why keep talking about it.

So, back to the MD conversation...
I asked what the frustration was with me and he told me that came from the MM. And the MM had told him that I didn't know enough songs and that I couldn't play without a chart. Most people who know me IRL will find that hilarious. The only "charts" I had were notes I'd make on new music when I wasn't given time to actually learn it by ear... like getting a new song at 12:45AM on a Sunday. The MM and MD are both keyboard players and we both laughed about something the guitarist told me early on... the MM doesn't play things the same way twice. The MD said that he even had difficulty playing with him because even on old hymns the MM had his own non-traditional way of playing them... making him pretty hard to follow. On the newer music I was typically the only one who actually learned all of the accents and movements of the songs and that the MM took a that's close enough approach. At that same rehearsal we started a new song that began by playing the same pass three times. The MM played it once and went to the verse which caused a trainwreck. I asked if he was going to play that pass three times and he said yes... he didn't think I knew the song.

Clowning me on the first rehearsal with the new guy. I said why wouldn't I know it, I got it yesterday but as usual I learned it. The MD remembered that exchange well.

So now it sounded like I had a problem with potentially two people instead of three. I called the pastor's office and requested a meeting. At the meeting were the pastor, the MM and myself. I started it off by saying I had no problem with the decision, I was curious about the alleged problems with me. That's when things really got interesting.

According to the MM he had done everything he could to make this work. He said that I had said this was the worst sounding gig I'd ever been on (a blatant lie with a nice trigger word ("gig") to set the pastoir off. He said that we never discussed amps and that was something I did on my own. When I refuted that and mentioned the longstanding sound issues we had, the pastor said he thought all of that had been worked out. He asked the MM if there were any sound issues and he looked him in the eye and said no.

Frankly I was surprised that someone would lie that hard right in front of me but hey, live and learn. The MM went onto say that when he had asked me about bringing an amp in I said I would NEVER (his emphasis) do that and that my good friend would even back him up on that. The funny thing was that at a prior rehearsal he had said that he was not going to buy an amp... a discussion he flipped on the following week. Everyone at rehearsal heard all of this.

I asked why would we be talking about amps if there was no problem and we'd never discussed it (his story). His face went blank.

The pastor jumped in and said that we weren't there trying to find the truth, that there are three sides, etc... blatantly ignoring the lie the MM had just caught himself in. He said our relationship was now bad (think the lying had anything to do with that?) and we should sever ties. He had no idea how hard the MM had been clowning him and of course I didn't bring that up. They deserve each other.

I asked the pastor about me never speaking to him and he said yes, he had said that. Took me by surprise again. He said that when he walks in just before 9AM he usually waves and speaks to the musicians and that I never did until the prior Sunday. I know I've waved and spoken to him several times so I asked what was I doing when I wasn't speaking to him. He said he didn't know, he couldn't see me behind the half wall in front of the band.

:eyebrow:

So the idea that he couldn't see me at the time but I should see him didn't seem the least bit absurd to him. Now I really knew what I was working with.

The text said the firing was effective the end of the month so I asked them if they were expecting me to play the last two Sundays. The pastor said of course... they don't have moeny to just toss around. You had to be there.
:D

So I finished out the last two Sundays. The sound sucked as usual, the guitarist was even more vocal about how bad it was to the point the MM came over and then went to the board and tried to fix it, I smiled internally and just played the music to the best of my ability as usual. On one song the pastor just started singing a song neither of the keyboardists knew so the paster's assistant and former MM jumped in and started playing. She actually played with confidence and it was very easy to follow her and we really played that song well, even though I'd never heard it before. Yep, it must be me.

That was funny on a couple of levels because the pastor seemed to enjoy chastising people on the mic. When he'd disrupt whatever musical program had been planned by the previous MM and sing whatever he wanted in whatever key he wanted, he'd glared at the MM and take him to task. So when the new MM took over one of the things loudly stated was that he wished the pastor would try doing that with him... he wasn't going to have it.

Uh huh.

It took maybe two weeks before the pastor did just that. A woman walked up and while testifying mentioned a song she liked to sing so of course that pastor decides we're going to play that song. The MM said we don't do that song and the pastor shot back, on the mic:

"You'll play it today"
:mad:

At which point the MM started playing something trying to follow the vocal. Yes, I thought that was funny but I didn't LOL.

So that's the short version, believe it or not. There's alot more, including a completely inappropriate text the day after Christmas from the MM, the pastor's continued sexual harrassment issues that the MM couldn't wait to tell any anyone about and all sorts of other nonsense. While the money did come in handy, in the long run it certainly wasn't worth the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually obtuse enough to ask me to sub again.
:hmm: