Guitar into SVT - Sample inside

[Remsouille]

We recorded a song with my band last sunday. We never used anything but Marshall amps on guitar, so this time, I figured "let's try something different".
We're doing some pretty heavy stuff, but not metal though, so mesa's and Co. wouldn't do the trick. Fender and Vox are too muddy,..; long story short, I said "**** it! Plug the damn guitar into the svt and crank it all the way up."

This is probably the best idea I've ever had in my whole life.

The guitar is a Gibson Explorer with Burstbucker pro pups.
The amp is an SVT-VR+810. We used a Beyer m201 and an old Siemens dynamic mic, into neve preamps. No processing has been applied to the guitars (yet ).

Here is a sample with nothing but the guitar straight into channel 2 cranked all the way up. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

And here is one with a DIY Tonebender mkII in the middle.[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

My question is: obviously, the SVT is too loud for gigging (I think at that level it can actually kill a herd of cows in a couple of seconds). So what would a v4 sound like on guitar compared to an SVT? I'm having a hard time finding v4 samples on the internet. Any input appreciated.

 

[ubercore]

Can you describe your bass recording signal chain, too? Sounds good.

 

[Remsouille]

Lol, yeah for a minute I forgot I was on a bassist forum

The bass is homemade acrylic bass with Antiquities P+J pups, into a vt-bass into the same SVT (cranked about noon). A 60' tone bender mkIII is put between the bass and the vt for the fuzz parts. The mics were an Electro-Voice RE20 and the vt's D.I. into neve preamps.

 

[PikeoftheLake]

I'm just worried about the guitar taking up all the lower sonic real estate from going through the SVT. If there's bass guitar in your clips I can't hear it.

 

[Remsouille]

I get your point, but this is stoner rock, dude!! That's how it's got to be hahaha
Guitar and bass haven't been processed yet, but I think you can definitely hear the bass, (especially in the 1K-3K range).

 

[arthur31686]

That's definitely a way to cop some Keith Richards "get yer ya yas" out crunch.

Also a good way to kill your eardrums.

 

[arthur31686]

And here's the combo version of the v4 with speakers that are in no way meant for bass. That is to say, its a guitar combo only unless you like blowing speakers.

Ampeg V4 and russian Big Muff - YouTube - This is a v4 with a big muff

ampeg vt22 - YouTube

And yeah almost none of those youtube videos are featuring heavy music.....but hey at least we have internet clips to check out before we shell out the $

 

[ubercore]

I think the guitar, while kind of "dark" sounding, isn't really muddy in a bad way. For what you're playing there (contrasting lines, kinda sparse), it works really well for a heavy stoner rock sound!

 

[ubercore]

Also, how did you mic your drums? They sound great, too.

 

[Remsouille]

hahaha
Beta 57 on snare top, Sennheiser 509 on the side, AKG C214 on the toms, RODE NT1 for overheads, RE-20 + random ribbon mic on the kick drum, and SM-57 for hihat and rooms.
Neve and ssl preamps.

 

[JimmyM]

I think everything sounds pretty awesome as is. I also think your idea to use a V4 for live work is a good one as well. It's voiced a little different from an SVT but will totally get bone crunching in a similar way when you crank it.

 

[WhiteNinja]

Sounds awesome!

I also play my guitar, an Epiphone Les Paul Custom modded with SD pups (SH-1 neck and SH-15 bridge) through an Tech 21 Oxford into my Roland Bass Cube 30 (mind you, this is at home for practice and fun). With a russian muff it sounds so very doom-ish! Should try running it into my SVT-VR/810 rig at practice.

 

[majortoby]

Would it be too hard on the svt to pull 4 of the output tubes, and use it as a 100 watter? That seems rather logical, IMO.

 

[Bread Knife]

That sounds AWESOME!

 

[Remsouille]

Would it be too hard on the svt to pull 4 of the output tubes, and use it as a 100 watter? That seems rather logical, IMO.

That would be definitely too hard.....

Thanks for the input Jimmy, it makes me gas on the V4 even more. How does the master volumes ones sound compared to the early non m-v models?
In this particular situation, I think the 810 cab has a huge impact on the tone, especially the bass response, what would it sound like with a V4 cab?

 

[JimmyM]

That would be definitely too hard.....

Thanks for the input Jimmy, it makes me gas on the V4 even more. How does the master volumes ones sound compared to the early non m-v models?
In this particular situation, I think the 810 cab has a huge impact on the tone, especially the bass response, what would it sound like with a V4 cab?

Those questions I couldn't tell you. My V4B was a non-master and I only ran it into an 810.

 

[hover]

wasn't the SVT initially engineered to be a do-all design? from guitars to organs to bass? I think they sound really good on geetar. V4B as well.

 

[JimmyM]

They certainly were. When the SVT came out, they called it an instrument amp. Doug Ingle from Iron Butterfly used to use my SVT with his organ and electric piano into a 412.

 

[Remsouille]

I just came across a b25-b, but didn't get a chance to try it yet.... What would it sound like compare to a V4 or an SVT CHANNEL 2??
I reckon svt channel 2 is quite similar to a b-15's preamp, and since the b25-b is modeled after the B-18 which is quite similar to a B-15... See what I mean....

 

[JimmyM]

SVT channel 2 is more similar to a B-15's channel 2, at least my 64 B-15's channel 2. It's a bright channel that is more suited for guitar but can be made to work great with bass by boosting lows. I haven't played a B-25B but all reports on here say it's quite awesome as well.