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Guitarists Noodling?

In my (admittedly limited) experience as a sound engineer, it's a matter of professional vs amateur/volunteer more than instrument based.

100% agreed, but unfortunately I think there are so many more amateurish guitar players out there, that it just always seems to me like every band I've played in had a noodling guitar player. I've also played with plenty of more professional acting guitar players that know not to do that.
 
As a recovering "guitard", I used to be like that when I was around 16-20 years old. I have since gone through a long recovery process using a 12 step program, as well as having gone through a major operation to have the "noodling gene" surgically removed. I feel much better now.
 
As a recovering "guitard", I used to be like that when I was around 16-20 years old. I have since gone through a long recovery process using a 12 step program, as well as having gone through a major operation to have the "noodling gene" surgically removed. I feel much better now.

Interesting you mention the "noodling gene". I do think that some people have it, whether it's nerves, ADD, etc.. There's an easy way to solve it - THE VOLUME KNOB. If you have to noodle, turn down the volume knob. Except if you're the drummer, then drum on your leg or something that doesn't make as much noise.
 
Musicians in general noodle because they get bored. Rehearsing can be boring but the reality is that it is work and work isn't always fun. However, work is also always required if you want to improve, and a short attention span is no excuse for screwing around and wasting the other musicians' time. Ultimately, noodling stems from an unprofessional attitude and weak resolve, and it's a bad habit that is tolerable to a small degree but should never interfere with work getting done.

The drummer in the rock band I play in used to muck around a fair bit in between songs (though not during gigs, fortunately), and it was annoying me and the guitarist/singer. After that, and him once conceding that he cancelled a practice because he "couldn't be ****ed rehearsing" that evening, I faced him one night and just said "We generally plan to get through the set 3-4 times each night, which we were doing before, but we're mucking around too much in between songs and we need to focus on just bashing the set out twice before we even start thinking about doing anything else. We need to put the work in if we're going to get anywhere, so we'll just have to buck up and do it."

People generally have an aversion to conceding their weaknesses, so he didn't come out with the "I need a break" bull**** that we usually got from him, and he knew full well that when I said "we" I really meant "you", but by not actually saying that I avoided starting a conflict. In bands, there is no "I" or "you", there is only "us", and speaking to people accordingly means that you're never calling them out personally; in my experience it's the most effective way to just deal with problems and not start personal arguments.

My recommendation is to talk to the guitarists about the problems they're causing, saying "we" are "having" these problems, and talk about what you think "we" need to do to fix them so that "we" can benefit. Human beings are stupid, myopic, self-absorbed creatures, but they do respond very well to guilt, if you really hammer it in.
 
I can usually tolerate some noodling at a rehearsal. We are all guilty of it at one time or another.

BUT, I played a couple gigs with this one guitar player that really drove me nuts. He would play a riff from the song we were about to play. Kinda do a mini-practice before the song. This drove me right up the wall. I was like "Dude, if you don't know the song by now that's not going to help! Stop it!"

He did not stop it...

He is now on my Ex-Guitar player list....
 
In the band I'm in we noodle between songs all the time, we call it jamming.
In my previous band I was the one noodleing between songs, which once made the drummer throw a stick at me.
I wouldn't recommend throwing anything after the guitarist though... Talk to him about it, could be he just miss jamming.
That said noodleling in between songs live sounds like really unprofessional and further more a really bad idea, unless you are a jam band.
 
jsbachonbass said:
The thing I hate the most is when they tease the audience with a signature guitar intro of a very popular song (Sweet Home Alabame for example), and it isn't a song that we even perform. The crowd start hootin and hollerin, and then they get mad because we don't play the song.

Worst noodler I met was when our bandleader invited a guitarist out to a private corporate party (that is another issue entirely) to audition (our currennt guitarist who was leaving the band soon). He kept on noodling between songs, during songs, playing over other people's solos. He even started noodling while the party host was giving a speech and presenting awards. I had to pull his slider down on the PA , and he still kept on.

He told the bandleader later that he wouldn't just stand around and not be playing during the song, he was going to fill up ALL of the empty spaces. Our bandleader thanked him for coming out and told him he needed to go practice his whole note rests.

Signature lick noodle - My guitarist will sometimes do this. Drives me frickin nuts.

I admit to noodling sometimes at rehearsal. I lose patience while others small talk about work, girlfriends, the weather etc at rehearsal when we need to be working. Rehearsal time is limited. Small talk on your own time IMO. I give them a minute then I will start noodling on the next song we need to work on.
 
I noodle quite a bit at rehearsal. Mainly because I am always looking for alternate parts and exploring the possibilities.
As far as noodling at gigs between songs, that's just plain wrong. Someone needs to have a "come to Jesus" talk with the offending party. Let them know that it is one of the least professional things that they could possibly do and makes them appear to be a total rube.
 
In the band I'm in we noodle between songs all the time, we call it jamming.
In my previous band I was the one noodleing between songs, which once made the drummer throw a stick at me.
I wouldn't recommend throwing anything after the guitarist though... Talk to him about it, could be he just miss jamming.
That said noodleling in between songs live sounds like really unprofessional and further more a really bad idea, unless you are a jam band.

Noodling: farting around, usually solo, w/no real aim.. jamming: improvising/making stuff up, usually w/other musicians.
Noodling during rehearsal: annoying.. During gigs: vibe-killer
Jamming during rehearsal: great if that's what everyone WANTS to do.. At gigs: awesome in the right context
 
Signature lick noodle - My guitarist will sometimes do this. Drives me frickin nuts.

I admit to noodling sometimes at rehearsal. I lose patience while others small talk about work, girlfriends, the weather etc at rehearsal when we need to be working. Rehearsal time is limited. Small talk on your own time IMO. I give them a minute then I will start noodling on the next song we need to work on.

Amen!
 
Cut down the time between songs. IMO nothing looks more unprofessional than when a band finishes a song and then stands around for 5 seconds waiting to start the next. Song ends, click click click boom and off goes the next song.

If you need to switch guitars or something, then you have the vocalist engage the crowd (which should clue the guitarist in that he shouldn't be playing at that time). If not, a good chat is needed.

this is how it should be and in all seriousness a little bit while rehearsing if you are an originals band is ok as someone else said it may even lead to new songs.

1. ADHD

2.Ritalin

this I found awesomely Hilarious.

on a slightly more lighthearted note if they do it, maybe that is the perfect time for that Drums and Slap Bass Solo. in fact I think we may have actually found THE purpose behind Slap Bass.

:bassist:;)