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Hagstrom HB-4

What can you guys tell me about it? (Yes - I've used the 'search' and read those few threads).

I'm wondering about that strange looking bridge, and if it's true that the strings might not lower enough.
Also, while its got two pickups, I don't think you can blend them. Instead, you have a selector knob to switch between poles.
Also, if you've bought one, do you still have it? Or did you sell it for something else?
Is there anything you particularly like or dislike about it?

Actually, I'd appreciate anything you can tell me about it - info is scarce.
 
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REVIEW

I've been playing a Hagstrom HB-4 for almost a year now. When I bought it, I was looking for a short-scale bass that was good for my slender fingers, had some pick-up options, and just looked cool in general. I considered a Gibson SG bass and a Fender Mustang bass.
After I present the features of HB-4, I'll present my thoughts.

Features:
30.75 scale (short-scale), 15 inch radius, 10 pounds.
Dual Access Bridge (string through or string on top)
2 blade humbuckers (Alnico 5)
1 volume, 1 tone, 1 6-way rotary switch
--1 - Neck + Bridge, Single coil (Outer coils)
--2 - Bridge, Single Coil (Outer Coil)
--3 - Neck, Single Coil (Outer Coil)
--4 - Neck + Bridge, Humbucking
--5 - Bridge, Humbucking
--6 - Neck, Humbucking

When I got the bass brand new, it came with a severe case of "fret sprout." Fret Sprout means that the frets stick out of the neck and, to some degree, cut your fingers as you work the fretboard. Fret sprout is common with new instruments, especially when shipping through air mail, when changes of temperature and pressure can cause changes to the wood. It happens to instruments of all qualities.

I contacted Hagstrom and asked if their warranty would fix the "fret sprout" problem from an authorized local guitar tech, and they did, so Hagstrom has good customer service.

I also had the guitar tech "set-up" the instrument for $60: all new instruments should undergo a set-up. The tech lowered the action of the strings and the bridge and cut down a bit on the GraghTech nut. I wish I would have had the bridged lowered just a little more, but that has nothing to do with the instrument.

The 6-way rotary switch is one of the strangest features on the instrument. On the one hand, having 6 combinations of humbucking and single coil options is a great feature, but the switch is wired in a strange counter-intuitive way. Further more, my rotary switch is faulty: the single-coil options bleed the other pickups, so I don't have a pure single-coil option. I have not yet had the time to have the tech fix it, and it should still be under warranty. I mostly only use the Bridge humbucking pickup, but I have found that using Bridge and Neck as single coils is also nice. The other options are nice to have, but I haven't found much use for them. I originally found the tone knob all-but-useless, but that's because I mostly play live: in fact, I could barely hear the difference of the tone all the way up and all the way down in a live context. However, in the studio, I found the tone knob very useful for recording.
Some owners wish there was a pick-up blend pot, but I don't see myself needing it.
The bass pickups don't seem to be the best quality (and certainly the rotary switch isn't), but they don't sound bad at all. I would say that they sound "unique" or maybe even "modern" but I wouldn't try to compare them with any of the vintage options. Of course, bass sound is a combination of many factors (pickups, strings, amps, speakers, etc). The pickups are passive. I would consider swapping them, but they don't sound terrible at all.

One of the most annoying things about the bass is the position of the strap button under the top horn. That's how their old (and new guitars) have been made, but it is a terrible position for the bass. The position is an awkward place for guitar straps. I have dropped the HB-4 a few times because of its positioning (though thankfully I caught the bass before it reached the ground). The positioning of the strap button forces you to have a slightly twisted strap. I have seen an HB-8 owner drill into the point of the horn for a strap (like most guitars and basses already have). I am considering strap-locks of some sort.

The Dual Access Bridge is a good idea for those who like bridges that string from the top, but I prefer to string the instrument through the body for more sustain. I have not tried the top-loading option. The bridge seems to be built well. The H-Expander truss rod is supposed to be an amazing technology that Hagstrom pioneered decades ago. I don't expect any issues with it.

Aesthetically, the instrument is beautiful. The tuning pegs look cool and they work nicely. The headstock is large and looks cool. The horns on the upper and lower part of the body are perhaps a bit too "sharp" looking for my taste, but I think Fenders are a bit too soft.

My first thoughts on the 'feel' of the instrument was that the width of the strings was a little bit wide at the nut and bridge, and I was hoping for something narrower (like a Fender Mustang Bass). I wanted a short-scale instrument because I'm a guitarist with small fingers. Ultimately, I forgot that that was a problem.

Conclusions
I've been playing this instrument for about 9 months. I've been playing mostly live, but recently I have been putting some serious milage on the HB-4 in the studio, even when I had the option of using a vintage Fender P-bass (from the 60s).

Cons
The HB-4 is not a perfect instrument. The 6-way rotary switch sucks (but it can be fixed). The pick-ups are questionable, but not bad. Without a proper set-up the instrument has tuning problems (needs bridge adjustment and nut filing, but so do all new instruments). The bass is, to my mind, a tad bit wide, but I forgot about it: if you slap and pop, you'll probably love it. The strap button under the upper horn is a completely stupid idea: if that is the best place for the proper balancing of the instrument, it comes at the expense of dropping the instrument.
Hagstrom certainly gets points taken off for the shoddy quality of the switch (and probably for the electronics in general), the stupid position of the upper strap button, and maybe the pickups too.

Pros
The HB-4 feels very nice on my little fingers. I like the pick-up options (even if they are poorly executed). The instrument sounds nice and unique (though I also like to use a lot of effects). Most importantly, I find the instrument simply fun to play. Looking at the instrument makes me want to play it. Once I fix the rotary switch (and maybe, just maybe change the pickups), and have the action lowered just a tad, it will be even cooler. I am never selling it.
 
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UPDATE

I've had the HB-4 for almost two years. Last summer I took it on tour in a soft case.
At the end of tour, two things were problematic with the bass.

1) The 6-way rotary switch was acting very strange: not switching properly (not selecting the pickup or pickups it was supposed to, and cutting out at the jack.
2) On the neck pickup, the upper screw holding the pickup came loose and fell right out.

Concerning issue 2, though the neck pickup upper screw came out, the pickup continued to function.
Concerning issue 1, the bass would cut out during performances (once I returned from tour), and a few times I had to borrow someone else's bass to complete the set.

Though I had been extremely busy with shows and school work, and finally managed to take my bass back to Eric's Guitar Shop in Van Nuys, CA. He had worked on my bass when I bought it, correcting the "fret sprout" that the bass came with (Hagstrom warranty covered that issue), and providing a professional set-up, which I paid for. I returned to Eric's Guitar shop to see if he could fix the two issues: 1) the pickup selector, and 2) the missing screw.

I figured that both the pickup selector and the missing screw were issues that should be covered by the Hagstrom Warranty (which states that the instrument should be free from defects for as long as the original owner (that's me) has the instrument). Eric told me that he was very busy, and that it would take about two weeks (which I'm fine with). But he thought that maybe the switch was dirty. He unscrewed a section of the pickguard, sprayed some contact cleaner on the switch, screwed the pickguard back on, turned then knobs a few times, plugged it in, and seemed that everything was working. He then gave me a replacement screw and spring. I asked if I could play a little bit in his side room, to see if the all the pickup positions were working; sure enough, the issue was resolved.

I took the bass home, eager to replace the screw. The screw was too small. I went to a hardware store and found a screw that fit, but it was a mismatch (aesthetically). I didn't care, since it worked. I then (finally) put new strings on the bass (D'Addario), since I was still rocking the factory strings.

The bass now functions exactly as it should, and I'm damn happy about it.

Future Mods
I still sometimes flirt with the idea of putting in different pickups, but I'm not eager to do so. One problem with putting in different pickups in the HB-4 is that I would probably have to get a new pickguard, since the pickups on these basses are the size of 6-string humbucker, with two screws on the top and two screws on the bottom. I don't think I'd have to do extra body work to accommodate a different pickup, but maybe I would. The kind of pickups I would consider would be MusicMan style (but passive), or maybe one of those old DarkStar pickups on old Hagstrom basses that cost $275, though I do like the idea of hum canceling pickups.

Conclusions
I still love this bass. After playing it for a while, I still think the strap button is in a stupid place, and I wish the bass was much lighter (it's about 9 pounds, but bad for a bass really, but I like to play 5 pound Mustang guitars...). The bass is still fun to play, and it looks really cool.

Finally
Big kisses to Eric at Eric's Guitar Shop in Van Nuys. His work is top notch, and he's a pleasure to deal with. He makes it a point to learn your name so that you get the most personalized service.
He charged me nothing for spraying that bit of cleaner and handing me a 30 cent screw.
Professional musicians -- I mean real professional musicians and stars -- go to Eric. I totally recommend him to work on your instrument in the Southern California.
I don't know him. I've seen him 3 times in my life at his shop, and he didn't ask me to write this.
 
I have owned two of these and here is my experience with them.

The first one quickly became my go-to for learning new licks that were challenging to me, the neck is ultra thin with a matte finish which combined to the fret spacing of the short scale makes it the easiest bass guitar to play I have owned. (Like too many gear addicts I have owned more bass guitar than is healthy to describe!)

The six way switch took me some time to get used to, I still find it very counter-intuitive but I must admit it draws the broadest range of tones from the rail pickups you could get. The single coil settings are amazing to get super satisfying tones from effects, and offers a straight to the point tonality that is very rare in any bass guitar. The humbucker settings are mega powerful, actually louder than the active signals I have experienced with many Ibanez, LTD, and my dearest bass Fender AM DLX Jazz Bass. I have a preference for passive bass electronics, and the Hagstrom HB-4 pumps a powerfully raw tone that I am confident to say most players have never experience from a passive instrument. I have always had to have a very unique gain setting for the HB-4 on any amp I have plugged it though. Lower gain setting w/o active electronics occasionally means that I am able to crank the volume up without the background noise that can come from pushing the gain.

The build quality issues mentioned in other posts from this thread are in line with my experience. I found it nearly impossible to find a replacement bridge that would fit the through body string spacing while covering the marks of the original bridge on the body of the instrument. It took me some time to figure out how to bring the action down to where I want it, I pluck with my fingers and love a super low action. Taking out the saddle screws and filing them from the bottom worked wonders, it required a little patience but enabled me to bring the action very low and the truss rod is very efficient, and while the sharp fret edges did have to be dulled out, the frets height were level and the neck was straight enough to prevent buzzing with this low action setting. That never stops to bring a smile to my face!

Once the rotary switch and pots are cleaned with Deoxit, and the jack is secured in its socket, and the work into getting the action low the way I like it... it becomes a fantastic instrument :-)

I ended selling my first HB-4 because of all the work that had to go in making it meet the standard of playability I need to bond with the instrument. Well, it took about six months for me to realize the tone and feel of the HB-4 was so unique that I needed to have one on hand. I also omitted to mention that the tone of the HB-4 is so unique and personal to the instrument that I actually occasionally took it out to play in public, knowing it was a lower quality instrument than my usual gigging axes, because there is simply no other bass that can fill that gap when I feel like hearing the HB-4 tone or when I am not feeling super confident about a part and I want the safety blanket of the feel of its thin and narrow short scale neck.

So yes, I bought another one and believe it has earned a permanent spot in my now very stable selection of bass guitar (I haven't bought or sold anythign in a year).

The HB-4 is heavier than it should be but I have nicely padded straps that take care of that. The finish on both my white and my red lackered finish allowed for the wood grain to show through and are both incredibly pleasing to the eye. Be cautious to order medium scale strings is you intent to run them through the body, short scale strings won't be long enough to run through.

The tuners are just fine, they are smooth, accurate, and stay in tune in my experience with both of them.

My final advice would be that there is a lot more to this axe than meets the eye if you are comfortable tinkering with it until the setup is up to your standard, or if you can find one where that work has already been done by the previous owner. The character of this bass guitar exceeds its build quality by 10 folds and has the potential to fill a gap in your collection you didn't know existed in the most satisfying way a musician can hope for.

I would not recommend it as a first or only instrument for anyone given the potential for it to require extra attention, a bit like a really fun sports car.

Hope this helps someone curious about this guitar model :-)



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What can you guys tell me about it? (Yes - I've used the 'search' and read those few threads).

I'm wondering about that strange looking bridge, and if it's true that the strings might not lower enough.
Also, while its got two pickups, I don't think you can blend them. Instead, you have a selector knob to switch between poles.
Also, if you've bought one, do you still have it? Or did you sell it for something else?
Is there anything you particularly like or dislike about it?

Actually, I'd appreciate anything you can tell me about it - info is scarce.
What can you guys tell me about it? (Yes - I've used the 'search' and read those few threads).

I'm wondering about that strange looking bridge, and if it's true that the strings might not lower enough.
Also, while its got two pickups, I don't think you can blend them. Instead, you have a selector knob to switch between poles.
Also, if you've bought one, do you still have it? Or did you sell it for something else?
Is there anything you particularly like or dislike about it?

Actually, I'd appreciate anything you can tell me about it - info is scarce.
 
Update 2

About 3 years ago I had Seymour Duncan NYC4 pickups installed in my HB-4. It required a little wood work and some slight alterations to the pickguard. The 6-way switch is still employed, and still working fine since Eric had sprayed it some 5 years ago. I have not dropped my bass in recent memory: maybe it's because I switched to a different strap.

Cons 2021
  • It's too heavy.
  • I don't really like the headstock (the newer HB-8 looks cooler).
  • The Hagstrom logo looks like a baseball team.
  • 6-way switch, though extremely useful, is wired strangely.

Pros 2021
  • Super fun to play.
  • Sounds great.
  • Looks cool.
A few friends have actually bought this instrument because they like mine.
I've had the bass for about 6 years. It's been on at least 3 tours and has suffered from a little road-wear. Nothing terrible. The fretboard it a little scratched. Overall it's in great condition, and I'm still never selling it.
 
How did you adjust the saddle height? I've been trying to figure out the mechanism for a bit now and haven't cracked it yet.


I just got one a week ago and have been tinkering with this fateful bridge all week. Not sure if you figured it out by now, but there's a hex wrench slot underneath the saddle, which you have to take completely out to adjust. If it's just a little bit, you can push the string to the side and just do a half turn one way or the other by grabbing it with a set of pliers. Don't forget to loosen all the setting screws before making any adjustments though. With 100 gauge E string the action doesn't really go below .11" though so if you like really low action you'll have to get crafty.

I'm trying to sand mine down like someone else suggested and it's going okay.
 

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