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Hartke Hydrive Replacement Speaker

Hi everyone,

I have a hartke hydrive 112 that after years of gigs finally had the speaker burn out. It was in the middle of the gig and a terrible burning smell suddenly came from the cab, then it stopped working!

Rather than replacing the whole cab, I'm wondering if anyone can advise whether I might just be able to put in a different speaker?

Unfortunately, being in Canada, Hartke hasn't been super helpful - they had to recommend me to their Canadian distributor, who then told me that they didn't have replacement speakers, but would look into it and e-mail me a quote - yet after several weeks, I still don't have a quote or any options.

In all fairness, I don't need the impedance switching anymore, so I'd be happy to just grab a new 8ohm speaker - perhaps an eminence delta, or deltalite, or even a kappalite 3012 (which is what eminence recommended to me)?

Can I just put a different speaker in, or is there something of a catch with bass cab/speaker pairing that I should be aware of?
 
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Being a constant lurker of amps & cabs, the usual TB advice for something like this is to get the speaker that the cab was designed around. This guarantees all parts are working together. Otherwise, you will need to get measurements of the inside of the cab and get a speaker company to model your 'replacement' idea to see if it will work, otherwise it's a crap shoot. Not sure where you reside but Long & McQuade is a dealer and so is Steve's Music (last time I checked). Out west, you could probably try Axe Music to see if they can order you the speaker. In Ottawa, we also have Fleet Pro Sound who could help.
 
If you can get the Thiele small parameter specs on the Hydrive speaker, it will be much easier to find replacements with similar specs that will drop in with little to no modification to the porting, etc...

where might I find those kinds of specs?

fwiw, I contacted eminence (as I tend to like their speakers) and they were quick to give a recommendation, but I’m not sure whether they would have considered anything like the cab dimensions...
 
It will require some internet searching. Perhaps Hartke can provide them, as I'm positive they have them on file.
I have found that many speakers on Eminence's site that are suitable for bass guitar are typically spec'ed for use in both sealed and ported enclosures that are the size of the Hydrive cab.
 
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It will require some internet searching. Perhaps Hartke can provide them, as I'm positive they have them on file.
I have found that many speakers on Eminence's site that are suitable for bass guitar are typically spec'ed for use in both sealed and ported enclosures that are the size of the Hydrive cab.

You’ll have to help me out a bit as I’m not sure I’m following (I’m new to this) - if a speaker is “spec’d for sealed and ported enclosures that are the size of the Hydrive”, does that mean it should just work?

it seems their recommended enclosure volume is pretty wide 41L - 110L.
 
Hi everyone,

I have a hartke hydrive 112 that after years of gigs finally had the speaker burn out. It was in the middle of the gig and a terrible burning smell suddenly came from the cab, then it stopped working!

Rather than replacing the whole cab, I'm wondering if anyone can advise whether I might just be able to put in a different speaker?

Unfortunately, being in Canada, Hartke hasn't been super helpful - they had to recommend me to their Canadian distributor, who then told me that they didn't have replacement speakers, but would look into it and e-mail me a quote - yet after several weeks, I still don't have a quote or any options.

In all fairness, I don't need the impedance switching anymore, so I'd be happy to just grab a new 8ohm speaker - perhaps an eminence delta, or deltalite, or even a kappalite 3012 (which is what eminence recommended to me)?

Can I just put a different speaker in, or is there something of a catch with bass cab/speaker pairing that I should be aware of?
Are you sure its the speaker that you smell. I'm thinking you could remove the ohms switching panel on the back and give it the sniff test
 
The hybrid aluminum and paper cone in those cabs is proprietary to Hartke. If you use a strictly paper cone to replace the standard driver, it will sound different. If you're fond of the sound you got from the cabinet, I'd pursue a new replacement driver from Hartke.
Another option would be to peruse the used cabinet listings and see if you can buy the entire cabinet. In the US, Guitar Center has several used HyDrive 112 cabinets for $200. Buying a used cab would provide you with spare parts in case you might need them down the road.
 
I'm not a speaker/cab expert, just know enough to be dangerous. :)

Have you had any luck with any searches with folks switching out the driver in the cab? Eminence may or may not have specific recommendations for your particular cab.
There are a series of specs for the Thiele small parameters, speakers with similar specs may or may not just drop in. The devil is in the details with smaller cabs that are expected to do big, bassy sounds. Typically, there are some key choices made for the cabinet size and port tuning. Disregarding the details can result in the speaker not having proper power handling, too much excursion, etc... that will destroy it.

If you have at least the internal dimensions for the cab, port size and depth, etc... you can then start finding the proper replacement speaker via plugging in the specs a couple different ways.
1. Via a speaker cab program, which has a cost for the convenience. This is just plug and go.
2. Via several speaker cab calculators found online for free, but will require some note taking. Being a cheapskate, an incessant tinkerer and seeing this as a learning experience, this is the route I took.

How did I get my dangerous level of knowledge? Two cabs.

The first was reloading my old 1968 Kustom TuckNRoll ported 2x12" with modern speakers for better tone and power handling. The original CTS speakers were shot, and extremely heavy. I had a Peavey 12" Scorpion, which I like for bass, and found a Hydrive 12" here on TB in the Classifieds. I just dropped the speakers in the cab, plugged it in, turned it up and it sounded great and there was no weird farting, etc... It also lost about 15 pounds with the new speakers. This one was somewhat lucky, I already knew that Scorpions were used in a wide variety of sealed and open back cabinets of various sizes, so it was most likely fine. The Hydrive speaker is used in ported cabs that were about 1/2-2/3ds the internal volume, so I just took a chance. Here we are a few years later with no issues.

The second is a homemade, closed back 1x12" cab that was purchased off of Craig'sList solely for the OEM Mesa EVM12L speaker that was in it. The speaker was destined for an older Mesa Mark IIA guitar combo that I have, but the cab was decently built, so I wanted to repurpose it. It didn't follow any specific build (like the famous TL806 design for 12" EVM as well as sounding great with other speakers), but the dimensions and such were in the ballpark for a nice 1x12" bass cab--external dimensions of 20.75"/53 cm wide x 16.5"/42cm high x 15.5"/40cm deep with an internal volume of 2.133 cubic feet/60.445 cubic liters. It had just a 3.5" vent hole cut out of the baffle, no real port. I tried just dropping another Scorpion in it, which worked fine for guitar, but it didn't work properly with bass. There was some farting on the low E and F. I do question the integrity of that particular speaker, though. It may be half bagged or the cab in it's current configuration wasn't properly tuned for the Scorpion. Either way, it was determined that I wanted a more robust speaker anyway and looked into various other speakers and their Thiele specs.

There was a NOS Eminence Delta Pro 12A being sold for $40 on CraigsList by a pro audio company here in town. I already knew that it is a speaker designed for pro audio use-particularly monitor wedges--hey, those are about the same size as this cab. However, it's also a popular choice for guitarists wanting an EVM type speaker. Looking at the specs on the website, and comparing to other guitar or bass specific speakers, it's specs looked good for my purposes. The cab's internal volume was right in the middle of the published vented enclosure volume range for the 12A. Plus, it's got pretty high power handling at 400W and since it's a small cab, the speaker being rather heavy (16lb/7kg) is not an issue.

I picked up the speaker and started doing a LOT of research on cab/port tuning for bass guitar (in regards to resonant frequency of the speaker and the like). Read a ton of articles and message board threads while plugging speaker and cab data into various calculators to see if the results were consistent. I finally came up with my specs (tuned the port just barely above the 51Hz resonant frequency), ordered a proper sized port to get to my desired goal, put it together and plugged it in with my TC BH250 head. Turned it up and everything sounded great. It's a fat sounding extension guitar cab and smooth, punchy bass cab. Just what I was looking for. Here a couple years and a couple dozen gigs later, it's still going strong.
 
The hybrid aluminum and paper cone in those cabs is proprietary to Hartke. If you use a strictly paper cone to replace the standard driver, it will sound different. If you're fond of the sound you got from the cabinet, I'd pursue a new replacement driver from Hartke.
Another option would be to peruse the used cabinet listings and see if you can buy the entire cabinet. In the US, Guitar Center has several used HyDrive 112 cabinets for $200. Buying a used cab would provide you with spare parts in case you might need them down the road.

I’ve looked at both of those things - as I’ve said, Hartke can’t send me a replacement. And u fortunately, I can’t fund any used ones anywhere, and shipping would be cost prohibitive for what it is. Plus I’m mostly just feeling like I don’t want to deal with otherwise tossing out a cab! I don’t have a lot of storage space at home, so brining in another cab means sending one out at this point.
 
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Full Compass sells Hartke parts and speakers but won't ship outside the U.S. from their website, but they indicate they take international orders over the phone:
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Hi everyone,

I have a hartke hydrive 112 that after years of gigs finally had the speaker burn out. It was in the middle of the gig and a terrible burning smell suddenly came from the cab, then it stopped working!

Rather than replacing the whole cab, I'm wondering if anyone can advise whether I might just be able to put in a different speaker?

Unfortunately, being in Canada, Hartke hasn't been super helpful - they had to recommend me to their Canadian distributor, who then told me that they didn't have replacement speakers, but would look into it and e-mail me a quote - yet after several weeks, I still don't have a quote or any options.

In all fairness, I don't need the impedance switching anymore, so I'd be happy to just grab a new 8ohm speaker - perhaps an eminence delta, or deltalite, or even a kappalite 3012 (which is what eminence recommended to me)?

Can I just put a different speaker in, or is there something of a catch with bass cab/speaker pairing that I should be aware of?

Ugh, I feel you. Slightly different, but similar experience.

I blew one of the speakers in my 210xl in December. I was pairing it with a HD112 in a vertical stack powered by a Mesa Boogie Walkabout. Long story short, upon a trusted source I replaced both speakers in the 210 with Eminence Delta 10s and they sound fantastic (read: way better than the standard xl10s). If you can't get an exact replacement, your intuition on a replacement will probably still delight your ears.