Hartke Math vs. actual math

[St. Louis Scot]

I'm thinking of buying a Hartke 410XL to match my Hartke LH500. I found one on CL at a reasonable price. One thing that drew me to it was the power rating Hartke gives on the website (see first pic.) 400w @ 8 ohms would be right in the pocket.

But the cab itself has something different to say (see second pic.)

Well which is it? If this cab is 240w @ 8ohms I don't need it. Why would Hartke say something different on the cab then what is advertised on their own site. Is there parallel Hartke math that I adds up different than actual math?

 

[BrentSimons]

Older version my friend. I believe the new 410xl's are indeed 400 watts at 8 ohms. The ones from the 80's and early 90's were 240.
FWIW you can get a brand new 410xl for a very modest price.
Hope this helps,
Take care,
Brent

 

[ONYX]

Older version my friend. I believe the new 410xl's are indeed 400 watts at 8 ohms. The ones from the 80's and early 90's were 240.
FWIW you can get a brand new 410xl for a very modest price.
Hope this helps,
Take care,
Brent

I concur. My 90's era Hartke cab is 240.

 

[SanDiegoHarry]

Older version my friend. I believe the new 410xl's are indeed 400 watts at 8 ohms. The ones from the 80's and early 90's were 240.
FWIW you can get a brand new 410xl for a very modest price.
Hope this helps,
Take care,
Brent

I had a 410XL back in the early '90s - I don't recall what it was rated for, but I was pushing it with a 500 watt head and it never farted out, never gave me grief - it was just loud as sin (and heavy as sin too!)

 

[CrUiSeR]

I would seriously try to play thru it first.
IMO the XLs are one of the greatest innovations of the bass world; the 15" XLs are one of my all time favs along with the old diesels.

 

[cfsporn]

I wonder if Lary Hartke would sell you new speakers. Maybe you should give him a ring and ask.

201-680-8153

 

[Obese Chess]

Yup, I have one from the late 80's / early 90's and I think it's 240 at 8 ohms as well.

 

[mav]

I've read here on TB that Hartke upped the wattage from 240 to 400 after a reassessment of the cab, the old and new cabs are the same.

 

[JimmyM]

I've read here on TB that Hartke upped the wattage from 240 to 400 after a reassessment of the cab, the old and new cabs are the same.

I don't know about that. There was an old article on Hartke in Bass Gear Mag where Larry said they use higher power handling speakers now.

 

[The Chuck]

The older ones are different I believe.

I have the 4.5XL which is also rated at 400 watts. I've had it hooked up to my PF-800 (400 watts at 8 ohms) for over a year now and the cab has never farted or shown any sign that I was pushing it too hard. I've turned it up pretty good a few times too.

The new 410XL and 4.5XL are solid great sounding cabs at a price my wallet enjoys.

 

[MattStonewall]

I've been looking at this cab online as well. It says 30hz on the freq response specs. I haven't had much luck looking for cabs that can handle this?

 

[cfsporn]

I've been looking at this cab online as well. It says 30hz on the freq response specs. I haven't had much luck looking for cabs that can handle this?

Sure it says 30Hz, but at what level? -3dB? -10dB? -20dB?

Why are you looking for a cab that can handle 30Hz anyway? There is really far less sound information there than you might think and what is there is pure speaker torture.

While cabs that can do reasonable levals at 30Hz do exist, they are rare and expensive. There's the The Acme Low B, The Ampeg 410HLF, The Barefaced Big Twin, various and sundry Greeboy designs, a biamped rig consisting of some BFM subs and tops, and a few other cabs that I'm sure I am forgetting, but most commercial cabs won't go anywhere close to 30Hz.

 

[walterw]

I'm thinking of buying a Hartke 410XL to match my Hartke LH500.

when a hydrive 4x10 is like half the weight and twice the power-handling (or even three times apparently) and still not all that pricey, why bother with the old XL cab?

i'm not sure the XL cabs were even plywood, they might be MDF or something.

 

[Nev375]

when a hydrive 4x10 is like half the weight and twice the power-handling (or even three times apparently) and still not all that pricey, why bother with the old XL cab?

i'm not sure the XL cabs were even plywood, they might be MDF or something.

One is 400 bucks, the other is 700 bucks. That's a rather significant price difference.

Plus the 410 has no tweeter or crossover. Huge difference in design. My old 410xl still kicks booty, its got a lot of battle scars though from being 20 some odd years old. The only downside is the weight.

When it comes to 410s I'll take an xl over a hydrive any day of the week. Actually Id rather have a pair of 210s for a vertical stack.

But different strokes and all