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has vista been fixed yet?

#21
Has anyone ever noticed that the people who defend Vista usually have the well-spoken, articulate posts that make good sense, like Alembicplyr's? A lot of the people that don't like Vista, however, usually offer no reasoning for their opinions, they just chime in with "Vista sucks, use XP." or the omnipresent "use a mac lawlz"

Signed,
A Happy Vista User That Realizes The Same Thing Criticisms Were Heaped XP When It Came Out and Doesn't Expect A Newer OS to Perform Flawlessly On Legacy Systems But Has Had NO Problems With His New Computer That Came With Vista Straight From Dell, Esq.
 
#23
shwashwa said:
what's going to happen to all of us xp users when microsoft discontinues xp? will anyone buying a new computer for audio have to get a mac?
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:eyebrow: Is that what happened with they stopped selling 2000?

No.

Look, when XP came out there weren't any drivers written for the audio hardware people used. It's the same situation that we're in now.

As more and more audio hardware/software manufacturers wrote the correct drivers for XP, the more stuff became available for use in XP to us, the consumer.

If anybody has a beef, it's not with Big Bad Evil Vista, it's with companies that haven't written new software or drivers yet.

Life will go on. People will create products for Vista. The world will keep turning, and when Microsoft's next-gen OS comes out we get to go through all the boo-hooing again.
 
#24
SuperDuck said:
:eyebrow: Is that what happened with they stopped selling 2000?

No.

Look, when XP came out there weren't any drivers written for the audio hardware people used. It's the same situation that we're in now.

As more and more audio hardware/software manufacturers wrote the correct drivers for XP, the more stuff became available for use in XP to us, the consumer.

If anybody has a beef, it's not with Big Bad Evil Vista, it's with companies that haven't written new software or drivers yet.

Life will go on. People will create products for Vista. The world will keep turning, and when Microsoft's next-gen OS comes out we get to go through all the boo-hooing again.
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In order for companies to write software and provide drivers. Microsoft needs to provide documentation and sane APIs. This is something they do not do well.

Simply accepting Microsoft's (and they aren't alone by any means) history of mediocre products doesn't make it right.

I have no problem with drivers being released after the fact, the same was true when Leopard came out. There weren't drivers for my M-Audio Fast Track Pro.

Adam
 
#25
If Vista is fixed?

No.

The problems on my Vista Notebook started after about 1 week.

The only reason I don't own a Mac is the price. Living on student loans, I just can't afford a MacBook, even less a MacBook pro. If I could afford it, a MacBook Pro with optional 4 GB RAM would already be mine.

I don't care about what anyone else thinks, but OSX > everything else. The funny part is that Microsoft are boasting about features in Vista that OSX has had for years....

So again, no. Vista has not been fixed.
 
#27
fokof said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/31/microsoft.technology
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The smug smiley face is cute. The article mentions again and again how it's the lack of up to date drivers that are causing the problem, though.

"Most off-the-shelf PCs have integrated soundcards, produced by companies such as Realtek and Analog Devices, makers of SoundMAX. Borthwick says these tended to have older WaveRT drivers."

Is there no hope? Oh, wait...

"Vista's audio is getting better. Drivers are improving, and the imminent Service Pack 1 apparently fixes some bugs, such as one that affected timing on MIDI (used by professionals to integrate sequencers)."

"Experts agree that Vista's audio has potential. "The WaveRT driver architecture can produce better performance," says Robin Vincent of Rain Computers, which builds PCs for musicians. "However, no one supports that. That's the problem.""
 
#28
so it sounds like vista is not the way to go yet if you want to buy a new computer and start using it for professional audio today. looks like there might be a lag time were in the interim you may have to go mac. that is, if you want to buy a new computer and use it today, and you cant get a pc with xp... i hope vista gets up and running for audio (or the industry catches up with it by writing drivers) by the time the next windows OS comes out... (he he)
 
#29
There's no need to go to a completely new platform (mac) There are tons of availalble copies of XP availalble. Get an oem version for next to nothing.

Look up the trimmed down versions of XP if you want a fast, no BS operating system.

Vista will mature as support comes in. You have the option of both right now. If you really want to see for yourself and test your own software and hardware do a dual boot with xp on one partition and vista on the other. Then you can see what's best for you and not have to listen to biased arguments that don't apply to your needs.
 
#31
I find sometimes its not just the OS,Patches or drivers. It can also be the user error too, but that is most likely 30% of the nay-sayer's group. Hey, it's Microsoft, it's newer, it's bound to get ridiculed regardless :p

But seriously, History repeats itself over again.
The same things were said with 2k vs. Xp, I can clearly recall that was a big debate at one time, in fact, My engineering workstations that I used to test software with, didn't use Xp until 2003 (the year service pack 1a was released), I was using 2k(service pack 3) because it was "tried and true" and in a corporate environment.

A prominent power/utilities company in Washington,DC , had an account with the company I was with at the time. My job was to replace all the hardware in that office, replace with new hardware (desktops and servers) and deploy Vista to the end users and Server 2003 to the servers. Long story short, this thread reminds me of comments of the end users made, when they were informed that they were moving to Vista from XP. I also had to educate the end users for a week about differences,
how to use..etc. It was fun, but I also learned alot from that project and a newfound view on Vista.

/Jason
 
#32
one thing i've heard about vista is that it doesnt play back midi files with completely stable time. i've only heard this from other, not experienced it myself, but that's enough to scare me off. i just bought a laptop with xp media center on it and it has the same problems. cant play back midi files worth a crap(from internal synths, not external, so it's not the usb port). i'm wiping the drive and installing xp pro. i wish i knew about that before i bought the thing. i was pulling my hair out trying to figure out what was wrong. i'm gunshy now when it comes to vista unless someone can tell me it's rock solid with midi playback.
 
#36
Why would I want a Mac Mini? Why would anyone? Especially if they want performance? I wasn't kidding before about the prices, either. Buying from Apple is beyond expensive, it's piracy.

$600 and the processor isn't even 2ghz? I paid $600 for my desktop rig (over the course of a year as a series of planned upgrades) and it's so much better than that Mac it isn't even funny.

By the way, for kicks and giggles, I decided to try "building" an iMac as good as my desktop.

$1600, including monitor.

That's $800 more than my desktop when I include my 22" monitor. Granted, their graphics card is slightly better. $700 more than if I upgraded my card to the same level.

Wow...

That's a lot of cash.
 
#39
Forget hardware cost for a minute because you can run Leopard on other hardware besides hardware from Apple.

You also pay for better support. I would think that most people that have dealt with Dell and with Apple would prefer Apple. When the company you're dealing with makes the hardware and the software you can usually get better support.

The one huge benefit that OSX will have over any version of Windows is that it has a superior filesystem. It's ridiculous in this day and age that any OS requires you to 'defragment' your disk.

Adam
 

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