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Hating the middle ground mess

casual gnat

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Aug 11, 2014
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I'm looking for that impossible ground of 75w to 150w 10's 12's and 15". I play with a lot of nuances, and fear the response time of a 15".the obvious is to grab a 12" speak with at least 75w, and a tweeeter for my touch stuff. Can 2x10's throw enough air to feel the thump in a small club? I'm a mixed acoustic / electric bass solo songwriter. Aarrgghh!
 
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Response time is so miniscule in any speakers that there's pretty much no difference whatsoever. Just get a cab that you like the sound of and don't worry about what size the speakers are.
Thanks. I always liked the depth of a15" and never worried about whether my triplets were being compromised until I heard it was a thing. I'll just play. I worried about poopie for no reason. That guy at the rear seat in the middle of a 6top probably didn't notice, the bastard.
 
I'm playing a cort artisan custom z, with the barts upgraded from the mk-1s. I am liking it. Deep piano sounds, lots of play from the eq, and I love the option of passive/ active in a quick switch for certain passages, and clean. Tonally, the instrument is more than adequate.
 
I'm playing a cort artisan custom z, with the barts upgraded from the mk-1s. I am liking it. Deep piano sounds, lots of play from the eq, and I love the option of passive/ active in a quick switch for certain passages, and clean. Tonally, the instrument is more than adequate.

If you are "not hearing it" how do you know that it can do the job? Do you use a wireless or effects that lose it? Can the amp respond to those complexities, are you just having acoustic loses on stage or out front?
 
If you are "not hearing it" how do you know that it can do the job? Do you use a wireless or effects that lose it? Can the amp respond to those complexities, are you just having acoustic loses on stage or out front?
I lightly use effects - reverb, a touch of compression and chorus, I'll toss in a line of freeze and my looper on occasion
 
I lightly use effects - reverb, a touch of compression and chorus, I'll toss in a line of freeze and my looper on occasion
If you are "not hearing it" how do you know that it can do the job? Do you use a wireless or effects that lose it? Can the amp respond to those complexities, are you just having acoustic loses on stage or out front?
I don't know how those complexities will work out - I am trying to put myself in a position to adapt without having an "if only" moment for $500 or so
 
I don't know how those complexities will work out - I am trying to put myself in a position to adapt without having an "if only" moment for $500 or so

A good modern amp and speaker will be pretty good at reproducing what you send it (like the Ampeg 12 combo you mentioned). The trouble is "a lot of nuances" can get lost in those effects unless you buy really high end pieces. No amp or amp and speaker combination can make up what it doesn't get in the first place. If you find things getting lost start straight to the amp and add things back one at a time to find the lazy unit.
 
A good modern amp and speaker will be pretty good at reproducing what you send it (like the Ampeg 12 combo you mentioned). The trouble is "a lot of nuances" can get lost in those effects unless you buy really high end pieces. No amp or amp and speaker combination can make up what it doesn't get in the first place. If you find things getting lost start straight to the amp and add things back one at a time to find the lazy unit.
 
I have bad cheap boxes, and have found that the application sucks in practice - you can only twist the job on your 70's echoplex so many times(not a cheap box) I'm not out there yet. I write and play well enough I think I can pull off clubs. I have about $500 to spend. That's where I'm at
 
I don't know what you mean. Elaborate?
variance of response time between frequency is known as phase response. Each speaker has its own pattern. 90hz may be beginning a push as 250hz is in the middle and 1000hz pulling back. Our ears don't mind at all.

But when you add sound from speakers with different phase response patterns they sum and subtract noticeably differently from either. Many interpret the mix as blurry and undesirable.

Some idiot thought 15's with lack of highs sounded ''slow'' and the expression caught on but speed has never had anything to do with it. The speed of sound is identical for all frequencies.
 
My 210 (20+ year old Carvin, before tweeters) does excellent moving air and thumping in small and even large clubs. But I have more power than I need pushing it. The there is the bass, pickups, strings, and most importantly, my technique.

A modern name brand 112 should meet your needs. Aguilar is popular, wonderful stuff. I use a Thunderchild 112 for most small and medium stuff.