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Have anyone played on an 18" cab?

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My gig rig for a long time; I think I bought it back in late 98 when I first started playing bass, or 99, and used it the majority of the time until mid 2007 - though I also used combinations of club PA subs biamped with guitar cabs or PA mains sometimes:

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An 18 faced downward at 45 degrees, 2 high output 10s, 2 closed back 6... Brutal rig for the time, and very full range. After many experiments I finally settled on gray 1" open cell foam over the left 6" and 10" drivers to tame upper mids and improve dispersion. Biamped with 525 watts x 2 usually.
 
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Here's and 18" story that caught my eye! :eek:

http://www.prosoundnews.com/article/29220
"Danley Debuts Jericho Horn"

"... six 18-inch low-frequency drivers, six 6-inch mid-frequency drivers, and two 4-inch two-way high-frequency drivers ..."

"In every respect, the Jericho Horn is a vastly better alternative to the problematic line array solution that the industry has 'settled' for, ..."
"... It will come as no surprise that I view line arrays as the slide rules of the sound reinforcement industry."

I think these guys did a little too much LDS in the 60's
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#47
This is in response to the original question. I used to run a 2x10/1x18 rig driven with 1200 watt power amp. Worked great! I used Carvin cabs and have found them to be great sounding & priced right. The 18 really helped out my 6 string and fattened up the 4 plus it shook my guitar players cookies so to speak. I had casters so transport not too big an issue, but it did make for some creative packing in the vehicle for gigs, and I stopped using it at rehearsals almost immediately. Too many trips to load up.

If I was going to build a combo cab like mentioned. I'd think about a 2x8 with 1x18 in one box with a horn. Or maybe 3x5 in with the 18 and a horn nicely ported of course. You will need to make sure your impedance numbers work out too. I know there are a few 3x10cab/combos on the maket and they cannot be linked to extension speakers beacuse the impedance value is 6 Ohms not 4 or 8. Or you match the 6 ohms?

Personally I agree with some of the others that are going to the small light side with big sound. There are plenty of good cabs getting low Hz's out there.
 
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seamonkey said:
"... It will come as no surprise that I view line arrays as the slide rules of the sound reinforcement industry."
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How much of Danley's rhetoric he actually believes himself is pure speculation, but IMO probably not half of it. But there is a segment of the pro-touring genre that wants point source systems, and since the industry as a whole has in general (IMO rightfully) abandoned them Tom is filling a void, and cashing in.

What is pertinent to this thread is to note that he uses eighteens and sixes, in a one to one ratio, not one eighteen and two tens or twelves. And, while I don't agree with the Jericho concept per se, Tom Danley knows more about speaker design than the entire mainstream electric bass cab industry combined.
 
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greenboy said:
Yep, Danley's done some amazing stuff. At the time I didn't know about him, but I ws actually beta-testing a belt-driven Servodrive subwoofer I think he might have been involved in designing.

Speaking of pro audio inclinations, Bill, did you see this thread http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/phil-jones-bass-owners-club-662170/index19.html#post10414359
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I've never looked at it. I've also never seen off-axis charts of any Jones cabs, which might be rather 'interesting'.
 
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billfitzmaurice said:
And if you have to ask the question you don't have the skills required to design your own cab. Stick with a tested design.
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I'm sorry, but Henry Ford didn't wake up knowing how to make cars, he had to start somewhere. If the guy wants to build his own cab, let him, he's asking a legitimate question. Yeah, it might not be the best idea, but this is his choice to make.

Sorry to rant a bit, but it bugs me when people think that the only ones that "should" build a cabinet have degrees to their names.... By george, if it works, then it works. This just set me back. I'm not trying to start a thread war, but at least let the dude experiment without snobbery.
 
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mrkreuzschlitz said:
I'm sorry, but Henry Ford didn't wake up knowing how to make cars
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While your sentiment is noble perhaps, Ford either had some booklarned smarts or hired them. He certainly didn't piddle around for 50 years before getting something together that worked well. That would be a huge waste of time, when it takes so much less time to learn some of the appropriate things.
 
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mrkreuzschlitz said:
I'm sorry, but Henry Ford didn't wake up knowing how to make cars, he had to start somewhere. If the guy wants to build his own cab, let him, he's asking a legitimate question. Yeah, it might not be the best idea, but this is his choice to make.

Sorry to rant a bit, but it bugs me when people think that the only ones that "should" build a cabinet have degrees to their names.... By george, if it works, then it works. This just set me back. I'm not trying to start a thread war, but at least let the dude experiment without snobbery.
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I don't imagine Henry Ford turned up on TalkCoachbuilders saying, "I want to mass produce a car with one 18 inch wheel and two 12 inch wheels. Anyone think it's a good idea?" That's not experimentation. Do some work and pitch a practical question that makes sense if you want a sensible answer from one of the guys that knows something about it, or go build it, do some measurements and tell us how it worked out. Or keep it to yourself and make some money.

Edit: Sorry, Greenboy, I think we were writing at the same time. You were much nicer! Something wrong?!
 
#56
Still, what that analogy was intended to show was that any question isn't a dumb question, and this is an open board where everyone has the ability to ask a question. We all started out not knowing a thing, and the vast majority of us learned things through asking. Sorry for ranting, but it just really bugs me when I see answers that equate to "you don't know anything about it so don't even ask", when the point of the question is for him to learn.

Once again, not trying to start a thread war. Just voicing what I have to say and trying to keep this place somewhere that isn't exclusive to the educated elite.
 
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greenboy said:
While your sentiment is noble perhaps, Ford either had some booklarned smarts or hired them. He certainly didn't piddle around for 50 years before getting something together that worked well. That would be a huge waste of time, when it takes so much less time to learn some of the appropriate things.
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Very valid point, but I imagine that at some time, he might have pulled apart an engine or something without knowing a thing about it, you know, to really just see how it works. I'm not trying to be literal with my analogy here, by the way.

Shoot, one of my buddies is hands down the best mechanic I've seen, and he hasn't spent a minute in a class or really reading anything but service manuals, he learned it himself. To shoot down such a desire of someone's just seems cold, in my humble opinion, no offense intended.
 
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mrkreuzschlitz said:
Shoot, one of my buddies is hands down the best mechanic I've seen, and he hasn't spent a minute in a class or really reading anything but service manuals, he learned it himself.
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Learning it yourself (somewhat an illusion but for the sake of discussion I won't go there directly) makes better sense if you spend some of that time reading those service manuals, yep. Often they have explanations and can lead to lines of questioning and thought that are a lot more valuable than poking around at stuff blindly.
 
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mrkreuzschlitz said:
Still, what that analogy was intended to show was that any question isn't a dumb question, and this is an open board where everyone has the ability to ask a question. We all started out not knowing a thing, and the vast majority of us learned things through asking. Sorry for ranting, but it just really bugs me when I see answers that equate to "you don't know anything about it so don't even ask", when the point of the question is for him to learn.

Once again, not trying to start a thread war. Just voicing what I have to say and trying to keep this place somewhere that isn't exclusive to the educated elite.
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"All questions are equal, only some questions are more equal than others."

It's a mother's/grade school teacher's job to keep a child from feeling like an idiot, which is where, "there's no such thing as a stupid question" comes from. The beauty of a forum like this is that it's more-or-less anonymous, or at least not face-to-face, so you can feel like a putz in the privacy of your own home and not have to wade through pages of platitudes before you get a reply to your dumb-ass question that tells you how it is. That's how you learn.

There's nothing elitist about education -- anyone can get one, some just have to try a little harder.

Thread war! Thread war! (C'mon, say it with me).
 

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