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Help. Having trouble keeping up with my band.

#43
ok.. apart from the whole "everything is too loud part" (which is true), are you seriosuly dropping a regular 4-string bass to Low C?

If so, you're not playing bass, you're playing spaghetti. If you really need to play that low, you might consider having your bass re-set-up. maybe go for a BEAD set-up tuned UP to CGCF.
 
#44
Thunderthumbs73 said:
Those numbers ARE misleading: you can also easily become deaf or have major tinnitus even at 90 db of prolonged exposure at a noisy factory!!!!!! No need to take it to 140 db to get that effect!!!!!

If it weren't so sadly true, I might have seemed like I was just making a play on words for a laugh or two...
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True, that chart I put up is an impulse exposure. Continuous exposure causes permanent damage at even lower spl's as measured with A-weighting. Not to hijack the OP's thread too much but some of you guys might appreciate having good hearing in 10-20 years. Tinnitus is no joke.

That said, there's a world of difference between loud sound and good sound. I still suggest you are all too loud and rather than buying more gear, maybe use less of what you have.

I bet if the guitars used a mild high pass filter you'd suddenly be able to hear yourself.
 
#45
bkbirge said:
True, that chart I put up is an impulse exposure. Continuous exposure causes permanent damage at even lower spl's as measured with A-weighting. Not to hijack the OP's thread too much but some of you guys might appreciate having good hearing in 10-20 years. Tinnitus is no joke.

That said, there's a world of difference between loud sound and good sound. I still suggest you are all too loud and rather than buying more gear, maybe use less of what you have.

I bet if the guitars used a mild high pass filter you'd suddenly be able to hear yourself.
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Or a Hot Plate
 
#46
sickwindsor said:
I need some suggestions based on what I need tonaly and loud. Atleast 125dB program and 130dB peak.

I have played the Ampeg 810e,svt215,410hlf,410he and have not like any of them for various tonal reasons and they would be under powered for what I need any how. Ive played thru the Basson 810 and that is an option since I dig the tone and they seem loud enough to carry what my band mates need from me. I tune down to C so being 3db +/- FLAT is a must at 30hz.
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In a 11 x 16 room :eek::eyebrow:
Am I missing something here? Is this actually possible?

I would be looking for that nice hump right around 80 hz or so to be better heard.
 
#47
As mentioned by almost everybody else posting you need to get a more powerful head or power amp and pre-amp. I played in a hardcore band tuned to C#,G#,C#,F. I use an Ampeg SVT4PRO with an SVT810E and kept up just fine with a pa that had the bass miced along with 2 vocals and 2 full guitar stacks. Before I had the 810 I had the PR410HLF and trust me, that cab sucks. I also had a 4x10 and 1x15 set up and that kept up just as good as my 810 with my first band where the tuning used BEADG tuning. Try a new more powerful head and see how that does before getting new cabs.
 
#50
Buster Brown said:
That's great!!! I remember them being "semi-loud"....:D

Now, Deep Purple....:scowl:


I dunno, hearing these young dudes playing at the sonic level of jet engines reminds me why I can't hear my Wife calling me anymore....shoot - I can barely hear myself fart....:rollno:


lordy lordy
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I never saw Deep Purple but when I saw Blue Cheer they had 3 full Marshall Stacks each. Maybe they just seem louder than they were because their volume was inversley porportional with their talents. ;)
 
#51
Buster Brown said:
That's great!!! I remember them being "semi-loud"....:D

Now, Deep Purple....:scowl:


I dunno, hearing these young dudes playing at the sonic level of jet engines reminds me why I can't hear my Wife calling me anymore....shoot - I can barely hear myself fart....:rollno:


lordy lordy
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That's it! I can now tell my wife I didn't hear her, because I play in a band. I guess I don't have to do the dishes any longer, after all!

Cool!
 
#55
Thunderthumbs73 said:
That's it! I can now tell my wife I didn't hear her, because I play in a band. I guess I don't have to do the dishes any longer, after all!

Cool!
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Funny story (not to derail the thread) but my GrandFather was well known to be deaf as a rock...couldn't hear my GrandMother for anything...but he could always be heard laughing at a joke from the next room.....:D
 
#56
bkbirge said:
True, that chart I put up is an impulse exposure. Continuous exposure causes permanent damage at even lower spl's as measured with A-weighting. Not to hijack the OP's thread too much but some of you guys might appreciate having good hearing in 10-20 years. Tinnitus is no joke.
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Tinnitus can be a prolonged hell - I've got some of it from various causes. If a bass can not cut with 350W amp with pretty big rig (4x10" + 15" is hardly small) then something has to be very wrong.

And talking about 130-140dB levels for rehearsal sessions... Sure for being on a mission named "killing you hearing fast".
 
#57
pedro said:
I never saw Deep Purple but when I saw Blue Cheer they had 3 full Marshall Stacks each. Maybe they just seem louder than they were because their volume was inversley porportional with their talents. ;)
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Seriously, being my age, I have had the pleasure of seeing most national acts at one time or another through the years...some, several times....

Deep Purple always made my ears ring for a week.....:crying:
 
#60
It might make sense to approach from a different angle: try fixing the room. You mention that it's playing havoc with the sound, so maybe some acoustic treatment would help even it out.

After that I'd recommend upgrading your head to something with more power. You may find that you never need to use the extra power, but you'll never have to feel like you're underpowering your cabs. With the right head your cabs should be quite capable of standing up to even an extremely loud drummer. Tons of people play 5 strings through similar setups and don't have a problem with the low B, so your low C shouldn't be an issue.
 

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