Help! Loud drummer, feedback issues, not hearing vocals....

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by WardEarth, Aug 5, 2017.


  1. Edited this post due to number of responses. Only looking for video clips of drummers playing fast fills
    At half volume. Asking too much for us to be able to adjust for super tight spaces and still play fast rock?

    Honest help/feedback will be the most appreciated and if you have any clips of you or anyone else playing heavy rock without ear plugs in tight places and still sounding good I'd like to listen/watch. Plz no BS and fire the drummer comments, I like the guy.
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2017
  2. tshapiro

    tshapiro Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2015
    Jax Florida
    The most important thing is to have a drummer or other players that are committed to a practical level of volume. If you don't have that than you are screwed with your current band. I have quit a couple of bands where the drummer wouldn't recognize he maintained the volume floor - f 'em. My current band is committed to hearing vocals and not giving everyone permanent ear ringing. It's extreme, but, we use Ziljian Gen16 cymbals (quiet cymbals that have a guitar like pickup) to keep the stage and practice volume workable.
     
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  3. I was just looking at those and they sound nice but also significantly different from the recordings I was listening to. Its probably going to come down to my drummer and ya it might make or break whether I'm staying or trying to get him ousted.
     
  4. bass4more

    bass4more Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2007
    Oakland, CA
    Those Gen16 cymbals are new to me. I just spent the last 15 minutes going down a youtube rabbit hole checking those out. That's really interesting tech.
     
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  5. tshapiro

    tshapiro Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Aug 25, 2015
    Jax Florida
    They play and sound really good. Totally cool bc you don't need to mic them, especially the hi hat, and you can have them in your IEM or PA at whatever volume you want (or don't want).

    Once you address the cymbals, the snare is the other loud component. We use electronic for practice - Roland dedicated snare pad - its bigger than normal and plays very authentically.
     
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  6. BusyFingers

    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016
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  7. eJake

    eJake

    May 22, 2011
    New Orleans
    I would never ask someone to take out their earplugs. .02
     
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  8. RoadRanger

    RoadRanger Supporting Member

    Feb 18, 2004
    NE CT
    You vocalist(s) need "stoopid loud band" microphones like the OM7 or (my fav) N/D967 .
    N/D967 Premium High SPL Dynamic Vocal Microphone by Electro‑Voice

    Oh, and even with my "pushed" 30 watt tube amp setting the max volume for a rehearsal (moderate rock band) I wear earplugs and the vocalist just started - Gui****s and drum**** already deaf LOL. Seriously, drummer just got the results of a hearing test for work :(
     
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  9. Ive played with some great bands and drummers that knew how to control their sound. That prob won't happen unless they learn to play at reasonable levels. And I really don't think that can happen with earplugs in.
     
  10. RoadRanger

    RoadRanger Supporting Member

    Feb 18, 2004
    NE CT
    Been there, done that, lost the fight - you really can't fix stoopid loud drum****s and gui****s. Fortunately (?) sounds like you play a genre where the audience is already deaf and/or wants to be - so earplug up, get microphones that don't feed back, and rock on :D.
     
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  11. Loud drummers don't typically change IME. Not worth it for any music unless you are making six figures a year playing for AC/DC IMO.
     
  12. Marley's Ghost

    Marley's Ghost Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2002
    Tampa, FL
    I played in one band where the drummer was stupid loud but very good. A plexiglass shield fixed that problem.
     
  13. BusyFingers

    BusyFingers

    Nov 26, 2016
    I jammed once with a drummer who was stone deaf. His jamspace had a PA set up with two cabs hanging above his kit, pointing at him! This was so he could hear the vocal line to follow along to the song changes. I felt bad for him, too many years of unprotected ears.
     
  14. Marley's Ghost

    Marley's Ghost Supporting Member

    Feb 9, 2002
    Tampa, FL
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  15. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    A good drummer knows how to play behind a vocalist. Yours doesn't. Until you fix that, you won't get to where you need to be.
     
  16. ReiPsaeg

    ReiPsaeg

    Dec 1, 2012
    Rochester, NY
    If you have to ask the drummer and guitarist to turn down then you might be better off firing yourself.
     
  17. eJake

    eJake

    May 22, 2011
    New Orleans
    What kind of earplugs are they using? If you have proper ones sound is filtered, not blocked.
     
  18. It's easy for the guitarist to turn down and he is fine with it. Too bad it's a bit harder with the drums. I'd really like to keep going cause I love the project. If the drummer can't learn then I'll probably try to veto then bounce.
     
  19. I've got a good set, they use foam. But still, heavy hands are heavy hands
     
  20. And I want us to play at a non ear bleed lvl unless in a big room or outside which is rare
     
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