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HELP ... MAJORLY CONFUSED

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by dustklose, Mar 30, 2005.


  1. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    i am so confused...i've read things and still NO HELP...

    ok heres my question... if i am buyin a new head and cabinets....do i buy a 4 or 8 ohm??? like i'm buyin a head and then 1 cab for now with hopes to upgrade to more cabs in the future....so should i buy 8 ohm or 4 ohm??? should my head be 8 or 4 ohms??? please help...what would be a good setup for this right now...like what brands ... i was looking at the Ashdown Mag 300h.....but idk if that will work...and i want a 2x10 for now....please help :help: :help: :help:
     
  2. Plain Old Me

    Plain Old Me

    Dec 14, 2004
    Whats your price limitations?
     
  3. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    price....between 5-600$
     
  4. Plain Old Me

    Plain Old Me

    Dec 14, 2004
    I'm going to recommend Avatar for you. www.avatarspeakers.com
    B212 $320 (including shipping) and a Mag 300 $278
    Total is about $600, get the 8 ohm 212 if your looking to get more cabs in the future.
     
  5. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    that was the first thing i thought of buyin....haha thanks man
     
  6. Hollow Man

    Hollow Man Supporting Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Springfield, VA
    Basically any head you buy will cover both 4 and 8-ohm speaker loads. Cabs are rated at various impedances (4-ohm, 8-ohm, etc.), but heads are listed at what impedances they are stable at. Simply put, you couldn't put an Eden WT-400, for example, with a 2-ohm speaker load, because the WT-400 only goes down to 4-ohm loads. There are heads that will accomodate 2-ohm loads, if that's what you're after. The way to compare heads is to look at what power they produce at differen impedances. Then look at your speaker options.
     
  7. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    I would think that you'd look for 8ohm cabinets. Most solid state/hybrid amps can work with either 4 or 8 ohm loads...That way, you can use 1 8ohm cabinet, or 2 8ohm cabinets (giving a total of 4 ohms when used together). There are a few solid state/hybrid amps that can work with a two ohm load...

    This way, you can get one cab to start and a second later on...or you can buy 2 and choose to use one or both depending on the situation.


    -B.
     
  8. 5stringDNA

    5stringDNA

    Oct 10, 2002
    Englewood, CO
    I actually just bought an Ashdown Mag 300H and am running it though an 8ohm Aggie 2x10, probably gonna add a 112 later. If you get the 4 0hm, you won't be able to add another cab with most heads. Usually onyl the higher end heads can push down to 2 ohms.
     
  9. CaptainWally

    CaptainWally Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2000
    Sandy Eggo, CA
    Here's the deal:

    If you buy a head that goes down to 4 ohms (that will include MOST heads: get an 8 ohm speaker and then you have the option of adding another 8 ohm speaker later.

    If you buy a head that goes down to 2 ohms (more rare), then buy a 4 ohm speaker, and you can add another 4 ohm (or 8 ohm) speaker later.

    It's most likely what you want is a head that goes down to 4 ohms and an 8 ohm speaker to go with it.

    The mag300 goes down to 4 ohms.

    A mag300 + an avatar 2x10 B210 is a good start. Just make sure to order the avatar 2x10 as an 8 ohm model.
     
  10. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    thanks...you've helped alot...i'll prolly end up goin to the avatar site and buyin the mag300 w/ the 2x12 or 2x10
     
  11. Luckydog

    Luckydog Supporting Member

    Dec 25, 1999
    If you're getting a new head, the 8 or 4 ohm is good. If you want an older SVT head, you need to look for 4 or 2 ohm cab configuration.
     
  12. CaptainWally

    CaptainWally Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2000
    Sandy Eggo, CA

    Sounds like a good, economical rig --- if you get the 2x12, make sure to get it in 8 ohms if you want to add another cab later.

    Personally, I'd be tempted to get a 4 ohm 2x12, then all your MAG power will go into that single cabinet. If you think a 2x12 is all you'll need, then this is the way to go.
     
  13. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    how much sound would the the mag 300h put out through a 2x12 would it be enuf to beat out my guitarists and a drummer? in a small auditorium...we have no pa system as of yet...but were tryin...while i'm talking about it...does anyone know what i all need to get to have a good pa system...i have no clue how they work!!!
     
  14. CaptainWally

    CaptainWally Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2000
    Sandy Eggo, CA
    Depending how loud they are, I would say:

    - 2x10 will be borderline

    - 2x12 will be enough, unless it's a loud metal band

    - 4x10 (or two 2x10's) best of all
     
  15. dustklose

    dustklose

    Feb 5, 2005
    North Dakota
    ok...what about PA systems...is this the right place to talk about them too?? and what about the SB112 instead of the B212....its avatar...but SB is specialized for LOW B....and i play alot of Low B
     
  16. rockstarbassist

    rockstarbassist Banned

    Apr 30, 2002
    The Woodlands, TX
    Endorsing Artist: HCAF
    PA's are very tricky to get right, much less sound good.

    At the present, we play through some powered Mackie mains, with 2 12"s and a horn. For larger places w/out PA's, we usually rent a set of powered JBL subs and we never have any problems. We also have a Mackie 16-channel mixer that we use. No power amps, no thick Speakons to deal with, only enough surge protectors and extension cords to plug everything in! This has worked like a charm for us. I would suggest something similar. Until you start doing large venues that require thousands of watts of power (which most medium/large venues have their own PA and soundguy), you should get by with a set of powered mains and a 10 or 12 channel mixer.
     
  17. BurningSkies

    BurningSkies CRAZY BALDHEAD

    Feb 20, 2005
    Seweracuse, NY
    I have the SB112, and while it is a great cab, I wouldn't want to pit it against a loud drummer and guitarist. I use mine underneath a 4x10 live and use it alone for practice (plenty loud if'n yer not practicing at stage volume). I don't think the drivers in the 2x12 are any different than the 112. I also would be leery of pushing low B through it super loud by itself.