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Help me create an ambient/noise setup!

#30
For pitching loops up and down, I think you'd be better off with expression control of delay time than with a whammy after a looper. What can do that? Only thing I can think of that has exp control of delay time and looping (or infinite hold) capabilities is the Digitech RDS rack delays. I bet there are others. Oh, the Pigtronix delay probably does this also, yes? More moneys, but it's a pedal and not a rack.

I agree with what CJ is getting at in this thread.

A bad at what it does octaver is the Ashdown or the Danelectro PB&J in my experience. I love those for noise.

+1 on the PS-3. That will be fun.
 
#31
speak_onion said:
For pitching loops up and down, I think you'd be better off with expression control of delay time than with a whammy after a looper. What can do that? Only thing I can think of that has exp control of delay time and looping (or infinite hold) capabilities is the Digitech RDS rack delays.
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I agree that doing the pitch shifting with the loop speed is another good way to go. The Electro Harmonix 2880 can shift pitch in either semitone increments, or continuously, with a range of 3 octaves. It would be perfect for ambient music, but is a little pricey if you aren't going to use it much. This won't introduce as much weirdness as trying to Whammy a loop, which could be a bad thing or a good thing depending on your goals.
 
#34
Chronicle said:
:rolleyes: whatever guy, just trying to help the guy out. Not to lead him in the wrong direction.
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No need to get indignant, man, we're just talking about effects here. There are plenty of things more deserving of your exasperation. :) I just thought it wasn't particularly helpful for you to declare empirically that the "Whammy goes first in chains", as if this is an undeniable fact, particularly since his intentions are not in line with the "usual" use of the Whammy.

Anyway, to keep this from being protracted any further, to the OP: I think you should try these things out on your own and decide what you think. I'll try to model your chain and record some sound clips with the effects in different orders so you can get some idea of what they might sound like.
 
#35
if you want crazy noises for cheap - look into the ibanez tonelok series. the Phase Modulator and Chorus/Flange pedals can make ring mod tones. they can be had for 30-40 bucks normally. thats the cheapest ring mod possible. as well as the other sounds they can make.
 
#37
Ok, I recorded a couple of sound clips. It's late here so I couldn't actually play bass, so I used a recording I made a while ago. The original recording was my bass being played with an Ebow, into a ring mod, then I think my old Premier spring reverb. Can't remember if I mic'ed the cab or just input the signal from the Premier, but it doesn't matter for these purposes, since the sample isn't recognizable.

So, both clips started out as the same sample. I ran the sample into Guitar Rig, and the signal in there was Twin Reverb, chorus, Whammy. In one clip, the Whammy is after the amp model (and therefore post-distortion), and in the other clip, it is at the beginning of the chain. I won't say which is which yet. There are certainly differences (I'm playing with the settings throughout), but I can't say that I think one is better than the other. This illustrates what I mean, which is that, especially when you are making experimental music, there should be no boundaries, and there should be no right or wrong. Enjoy yourself! Also, AFAIK, there is no actual tracking going on in the Whammy, so it doesn't need to know what note you are playing. I believe it is a phase-locked loop.

Also note that this is not the kind of music I make, so there's no need to make fun of me for not being good at it. Hope this is somewhat interesting to you, even if it doesn't help you decide what effects to get. Let me know if you'd like me to try some other effects setup.

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Edit: you might want to skip the first 1/4 of the file. Also, I realized it's definitely a mic'ed cab, since you can hear the click of my 2880's footswitches. I was using an omni mic, so what? Wanna fight about it? :ninja:
 
#39
Hey Conical, BOTH of those clips are pretty sweet and are each very similar to what I was hoping for with the whammy, so I guess that part is pretty much set for me now. Thanks a ton for the recordings.

Thanks to everyone else for your input, it's definitely appreciated... I'm enjoying seeing the opposing view points to my idea, which was my main reason for making this thread in the first place. Please keep the ideas AND criticisms coming.
 
#40
as for looping i use a Line 6 delay modeler that has a 16 second (i think) loop function in it. I'm not too educated on any other loopers but what the Line 6 does that is cool is give you the option to record and loop somthing then reverse it or play it at half speed. Or if you have it in half speed while you record it, when you click back to normal it will loop it at double speed and the same goes for reverse as well. I used the pedal to create some ambient noise for a few songs in one of my old bands by looping my ring sliding up and down the strings with various effects and reversing and slowing/speeding up. It worked out great and sounded really ethereal.

Another plus is that it also has a ton of delay models in it as well.
 

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