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Help me decide on a new Class D head please.
- Thread starter Spirit of Ox
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Doesn't feel or sound as powerful as the LH500... I had the gain all the way up and the Master at 3 o'clock, then it started to blast but sounded like a cardboard box and I'm using 2 Hartke 1x12 Hydrives.
That doesn't sound very promising. Would a higher gain tube help. Maybe the 12ZX7 Tube that's in the preamp isn't responding well to being pushed too hard.
Bass Gear: TC Electronics power ratings
TC uses Advanced Power Management in their amps instead of actually publishing the power ratings. So an amp like their BH800 might 'sound like' 800 watts so they call it an 800 despite what the actual measured power might be.
Thanks for the APM fiasco response -- one reason i have focused on smaller / lightweight / GK, Mesa, et al is because I am getting away from tubes altogether. Don't get me wrong, a tube preamp is hard to beat, but again, with a good monitor / mains / in ears, etc, it's difficult to determine much sound difference... and no need to buy more tubes, they are lighter and easier to maintain with little maintenance -- Genzler 800 - GK MB800 -- Mesa Subway -- no preamp tubes and hard to find any better sound -- just my humble opinion -- and no worries about road work and breaking the little buggers
Here's a link to a video of David Nordschow at Winter NAMM 2016 describing the amp.
Here's a link to a fellow playing his Lakland Skyline through it:
And another link of him playing live through a couple of DNS-112's in a live outdoor trio setting:
Not a whole lot out there yet because the 800 didn't become available until around mid-year of 2016. Basically sound is the same as the 1350 without the side-chain effects feature and a less robust compressor system. It still has a compressor with threshold and ratio controls whereas the 1350 has Threshold, Ratio, Attack, and Release controls on its compressor. And of course the DNA800 has lower wattage at 800-watts instead of 1350-watts.
Found some info on how the EQ's are centered:
Bass Control: centered around 35Hz, interacts with the Low Mid Control
Low Mid Control: centered around 500Hz
High Mid Control: centered about 2kHz, interacts with Low Mid Control and cover upper Midrange frequencies
Treble Control: goes above the Midrange Control and enhances brightness in the overall tone settings
Shape Control: a complex curve that boosts low end, scoops out the low mids, and has a gentle rise toward the treble frequencies
I can't vouch for any of the amps you listed. But I can tell you that an SWR amplite fed by a Kern IP777 tube preamp sounds pretty damn awesome.
It fits in a shallow 2 space rack and there's still room for another half rack item of your choice such as a dbx163 compressor or maybe one of those old boss multifx units or tuner.
It fits in a shallow 2 space rack and there's still room for another half rack item of your choice such as a dbx163 compressor or maybe one of those old boss multifx units or tuner.
@Rip Van Dan thanks for that - sounds a really nice amp, nice to hear good 'normal' playing
Wow, i was just looking at the DNA website... no idea what the prices are for what ever product... that website is horrible... anybody got any idea what the new DNA 800 retail?
I managed to dial in the controls to get the punch and tone I wanted. I used 1 1x12 Hartke Hydrive cab set for 8 ohms.. The amp puts out 400 watts at 8 ohms, 600 at 4 ohms. The cab is rated at 300 watts and I'm using only one cab at this time so I didn't want to switch the cab to 4 ohms. Amp controls settings 1 thru 11, Compressor set at 4, Gain: 10, Bass: 7, Shape: 7, Frequency: 7, Treble: 7, Master:8, Brite switch:ON. Sounded nice and loud with plenty of tone. Will run it with 2 Hydrives at next practice with the cabs set at 8 ohms each. I was going to return it but I'm having second thoughts. I think if I adjust the shape and freq controls I can turn down the gain. Will let you know how that works out.
Yeah, I quoted that earlier. The street price is ~$749 on the DNA800. It's a lot of amp and features for the price.
DNS cabs (from DNA) work well with Eden amps too.
Their cabinets are known to be the loudest that exist of that category.
Like,
You won't find a louder single twelve, or dual ten, than DNA.
Not even Eden has these specs, and they are loud.
A DNS210 makes the same volume, or is louder than most other brands 410s.
David N, has improved the Eden design on his DNA / DNS cabinets.
More power handling, louder, and lighter in weight too. And better sounding.
Their cabs sound great. Their single twelve is a favorite amongst upright players as well as standard electric bassists, and often the single twelve is loud enough by itself in a live setting.
DNS follows Eden in creating a clean sound that's a bit more scooped (mids scooped, more lows and brights, without sounding harsh).
If you like old school sound (like bassman amps), or harsh sounding punk rock or heavy metal, and play with a pick, these brands are probably not for you.
Their cabinets are known to be the loudest that exist of that category.
Like,
You won't find a louder single twelve, or dual ten, than DNA.
Not even Eden has these specs, and they are loud.
A DNS210 makes the same volume, or is louder than most other brands 410s.
David N, has improved the Eden design on his DNA / DNS cabinets.
More power handling, louder, and lighter in weight too. And better sounding.
Their cabs sound great. Their single twelve is a favorite amongst upright players as well as standard electric bassists, and often the single twelve is loud enough by itself in a live setting.
DNS follows Eden in creating a clean sound that's a bit more scooped (mids scooped, more lows and brights, without sounding harsh).
If you like old school sound (like bassman amps), or harsh sounding punk rock or heavy metal, and play with a pick, these brands are probably not for you.
Yup! My DNS410 absolutely has monster sound and clarity. A friend of mine who has been touring with his DNS410 and a DNA1350 amp has "my 410 will beat your 810" in his online signature and I think he's right. This cab has sound that just goes on for days.
After hearing DNA's 112's, I originally wanted a 212 but they weren't and still aren't making that. I couldn't quite afford to get two of the 112's, so I opted for the 410 and couldn't be happier with it. I'm using an 800-watt class a/b Eden amp through it and loving it. It's a good match for the cab even though it can't drive the cab to its maximum capacity.
If the D800 does not fit your budget, the Rumble 500 would be a good choice based on my experience. I have both amps.
