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Help/pointers re Slave Ampeg/Sunn

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Doomsmoker

Oct 10, 2012
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#1
Hi there,

I recently went from having a svt classic head + 8x10 to this:

Ampeg Svt Classic (US)
Acoustic cab 2x15
Kustom cab 4 x12
Sunn coliseum


Now, my issue is i pretty much have no idea if i can use my SVTas a slave unit to power my Sunn head ( don t know if it is even possible)

Also, would i be better off to only run my svt at 2 ohms ( works with both cabs connected) or connect both heads and cabs and run the svt at 4 ohms.


Does my question make sense?

If i decide to connect evrything, how do i go about it?

Don t know of it helps but my Rickenbacker has a stereo input...

Hope someone can help?

DS
 
#2
What are your goals?

The SVT can power both cabinets just fine. Then again, you could run the Ric in stereo with each the bridge and neck pickup running into one of the amps into one of the cabinets. :p
 
#3
If I were going to use both heads, I'd definitely use both their power sections, as otherwise the Sunn is just a VERY heavy preamp.

If you're going to use that whole rig, you may as well get a stereo Y cord and splitter box (stereo to dual mono) and send one pickup to the SVT setup and one to the Sunn. I'd use the Ampeg with the 2x15 for the neck pickup and the Sunn with the 4x12 for the bridge pickup.
 
#4
Sartori said:
If I were going to use both heads, I'd definitely use both their power sections, as otherwise the Sunn is just a VERY heavy preamp.

If you're going to use that whole rig, you may as well get a stereo Y cord and splitter box (stereo to dual mono) and send one pickup to the SVT setup and one to the Sunn. I'd use the Ampeg with the 2x15 for the neck pickup and the Sunn with the 4x12 for the bridge pickup.
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Exactly what I was going to say...



If my awesome observational skills are right, you do play and love DOOM and stoner rock. If I'm right, head on over to the Stoner/Doom Bassists thread, the nicest place on TB.
 
#5
With two amps,you can do all sorts of things.Bi-amping is an interesting possibility.
For doom metal,often you will use distortion,which can cut off of some low end from the signal.The solution is to split your signal at some stage,and run one amp with no effects,to retain some low end,and the other with your distortions etc.
As Mc said,head on over to the stoner/doom thread,and we can answer all your questions with 'vision through THC'
 
#6
Sartori said:
If I were going to use both heads, I'd definitely use both their power sections, as otherwise the Sunn is just a VERY heavy preamp.

If you're going to use that whole rig, you may as well get a stereo Y cord and splitter box (stereo to dual mono) and send one pickup to the SVT setup and one to the Sunn. I'd use the Ampeg with the 2x15 for the neck pickup and the Sunn with the 4x12 for the bridge pickup.
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Thanks everyone. Was so much easier ( besides the actual transport) with a fridge haha.

A couple of questions though...

1) do you mind running me thru a step by step procedure on how to connect everything?
2) if i use the 2x15 with the ampeg and the 4x12 with the sunn, how loud can i turn my amp? I mean is there any chance of blowing one of the cabs because the head is set on 7 for instance? Or does the sp,itter, in some way, dispatches the input to both vabs according to what they can take in?
3) i don t understand how i can have one pick up go to o e amp amd the other one to the other amp?
4) which amp would be the slave unit?
Sorry if i m being a pain...hope you can help?
 
#7
Fuzzbassian said:
With two amps,you can do all sorts of things.Bi-amping is an interesting possibility.
For doom metal,often you will use distortion,which can cut off of some low end from the signal.The solution is to split your signal at some stage,and run one amp with no effects,to retain some low end,and the other with your distortions etc.
As Mc said,head on over to the stoner/doom thread,and we can answer all your questions with 'vision through THC'
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Is what you are saying the same as Santori?

Again, thanks everyone!
 
#9
christw said:
What are your goals?

The SVT can power both cabinets just fine. Then again, you could run the Ric in stereo with each the bridge and neck pickup running into one of the amps into one of the cabinets. :p
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Thanks a lot. That s also a good option. Not sure if it is better than the options suggested below or not though. I guess it depe ds what i want to play with the night of the gig.

If i were to only use one amp ( the svt probably as i am not sure the sunn has a slave output), where would i plug then two leads ( or one y lead)? At the back of the head or each lead into one of the two inputs i have on the face of the head?

Cheers
 
#10
Your Ric has a two ouputs right? That's the Ric-O-Sound, one jack goes to the neck pickup, the other goes to the bridge pickup when you have both connected. Think ouf it like this, you are running to separate rigs, using one bass. Turn them up as loud as you want, its DOOM!!!
 
#11
mc_muench said:
Your Ric has a two ouputs right? That's the Ric-O-Sound, one jack goes to the neck pickup, the other goes to the bridge pickup when you have both connected. Think ouf it like this, you are running to separate rigs, using one bass. Turn them up as loud as you want, its DOOM!!!
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Actually that's not how it works.

One jack is a stereo output, the other is a mono output.

To use stereo, you get a stereo 1/4" connector cable, plug that into the stereo output jack. You connect this to a stereo to dual mono splitter box or Y connector, and then run a mono cable from each of the mono outputs of this to an input on an amp (or pedal).
 
#12
Sartori said:
Actually that's not how it works.

One jack is a stereo output, the other is a mono output.

To use stereo, you get a stereo 1/4" connector cable, plug that into the stereo output jack. You connect this to a stereo to dual mono splitter box or Y connector, and then run a mono cable from each of the mono outputs of this to an input on an amp (or pedal).
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I stand corrected, never owned a Ric before, just figured that was the most logical way Ric-o-sound worked...

Listen to that guy.
 
#13
Doomsmoker said:
Thanks everyone. Was so much easier ( besides the actual transport) with a fridge haha.

A couple of questions though...

1) do you mind running me thru a step by step procedure on how to connect everything?
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1) Get a stereo cable with 1/4" connector. The plug at the end should look like the top plug in this picture.
2) If it's a simple cable, rather than a Y splitter cable, get a stereo to dual mono splitter box. This is what the Ric-O-Sound box was. You can get them at many places.
3) Connect the stereo cable to the output jack on your bass that says "Ric-O-Sound." This is the stereo output jack (the mono outpuck jack is labeled "standard."
4) Connect the stereo cable to the splitter box, if it's a simple cable, and connect the mono outputs of the box to two mono cables (standard instrument cables). Or if it's a stereo to mono Y cable, connect each of the mono output branches to standard instrument cables.
5) Connect each mono cable to the input of an amp.
6) Make sure the amps are connected to their respective speaker cabs with speaker cables.
7) Turn up really loud.
8) Rock.

2) if i use the 2x15 with the ampeg and the 4x12 with the sunn, how loud can i turn my amp? I mean is there anychance of blowing one of the cabs because the head is set on 7 for instance? Or does the sp,itter, in some way, dispatches the input to both vabs according to what they can take in?
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This has nothing to do with running a stereo rig, or using two heads. There's a chance you can blow up your speakers whether your setup is simple or complex.

If you hear the speakers making bad sounds, turn down the volume, or turn down the lows. Is the 4x12 a bass 4x12 or a guitar 4x12? If it's a guitar 4x12, you're definitely going to want to run just mids and and highs through it (cut the lows on whichever amp you use for that cab).

Whatever you do, don't connect the speaker output of one head to any input of the other head.

3) i don t understand how i can have one pick up go to o e amp amd the other one to the other amp?
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I just listed the process for you in response to your first question. If you have a Rickenbacker and it's a model 4001 or 4003, chances are it has the stereo functionality. Most basses don't have this. Follow those steps and that's how you do it.

4) which amp would be the slave unit?
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In a stereo rig as I've listed the steps for, neither would be. A stereo setup is different from a slave/master setup.

To do a slave/master set up, you would run a single cable from the mono output jack of your bass (the one labeled "standard" on your rickenbacker) to the input jack of whichever amp you wanted to use the preamp of (the section of the amp with the controls and stuff).

What you would then do, is connect the "preamp out" or "slave out" jack of one amp to the "power amp in" of the other amp. Each amp would also be connected to its own cab.

You would then just use the controls of the "master" amp, and it would control the "slave" amp as well.
 

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