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Hey, anyone from the "Does anyone not enjoy Jaco" thread

Dude, you're good. You showed up at a contentious time (website reboot) and asked some questions you were curious about. This site has an interesting mix of folks who, for the most part, engage in respectful discourse (especially when compared to other online forums.)
I said twice already but I will say it again, while TB has always had some spicy moments, I feel after the update some toxic behaviors has seen a bit of an rise maybe with stress of figuring the website out, even just less users on it for the new design or some purely using it for classifieds now... either way OP came at an OK time but sadly a time of some beefing lol.
 
OP one more post from me LOL, but seeing you share you are young, I am as well 23 on this site. Most users are chill but some have a very old mindset, just look our what to wear to a gig forum, I love dressing nice, always something smart casual or bold and I think some users think insane and way too traditional. Either way sometimes you have to just say this user may not understand... peace
 
I think he was a great bassist, but a great player who dressed like a bum and wore a different hat than everybody else. There were alot of great bassists. 70's stuff, if I have to---I would rather put my headphones on and lounge to The Crusaders or Bob James--- anything on CTI, Deodato, Benson, Hubbard. But, Weather Report, nahhh. Thats about the equivalent of two beta dudes, sharing a battery powered scooter. It just doesn't get the bills paid.
 
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great player who dressed like a bum
I really mean this in a honest way and serious way but in what ways did he dress like a bum?
I seen two users say this already, and if you mean his later era of him being an alcoholic I can see that since he was struggling and it was a sad moment but...
Him wearing his black turtleneck? He wore oversize sweaters to fit his Finnish herritage with casual pants, or his hybird suits of a t-shirt and balzer and white jeans?

If that's dressing like a bum than I guess everyone wore tuxedos in the 70s... I am a giant fashion fan and dress very smart bold/smart casual meaning blazers, suit pants, and nice fitting pants never ever sweats unless they are bold color.

I do agree his shirtless styles I can not pull off :laugh: !
 
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Wow! How can you love the player and hate the music?

I may respect the skills, or the originality of a player, but if I don't like the music I won't really like the player. I think there is no point playing great bass parts if it doesn't serve great music, because we are here to serve music - not to demonstrate our skills.
Because of his work on other people's music.
 
ok. maybe should I try and listen then.
suggestions?
I have a negative preconception, but I'll tell you frankly if I change my mind...
could be interesting
Thundercat actually when he first started was joining up and sitting for a lot of players and was a really in demand skillful player. He played first as a pro in
Suicidal Tendencies and he added his flair still keeping true to that thrash sound. He played on Mac Miller and kept a soulful hip hop bassline without going too crazy on the recording.


Skip to the second song. I guess you can say a bit Thundercat is my Jaco in a way... :D
 
It's ok to not like things other people like and vice versa. Last night I made my daughter a grilled cheese on multi grain seed bread.

She asked questions like "how come there's all these seeds" and "do you LIKE having to pick seeds out of your teeth?"

These questions aren't truly inquisitive, but rather come off as judgemental, e.g. "how can anybody like this thing that I don't like."

We would have had a less contentious conversation about it if she had approached it constructively and inquisitively, e.g. "what is it you like about having seeds in your bread?"

Anyway, I didn't think there was anything wrong with your Jaco post, and I appreciate your ability to reflect. This community is generally supportive and open-minded, which makes it a good place to learn.
 
I feel like I worded it wrong and probably should of said it differently. I have gotten a bit of feedback. I am not trying to start any crap. I really just want to know what people think. I haven't really had much discussion with people able bass since I live in a small town where (most) people don't really enjoy the music I listen to, or if they do they don't play bass. I have had thoughts and ideas and questions that's I've been eager to get out and I apologize if I worded them wrong. I honestly really just want people to talk to about the thing I'm passionate about and I understand how people could be upset. If anyone has read any of my threads

I like Jacos playing (sometimes) not the tone or him really as a person.

I think aggressive playing is good for the music it's good for. I used to be a big fan or Fugazi.

I think Thundercat is the Jimmy Hendrix of bass, although, I really don't care for his music a ton. And no, I'm not just saying that because I'm young and am picking a modern musician.

And no, I'm not trying to make anyone upset by my thoughts or opinions. I actually want the opposite. I try to be positive on things, the threads I've started haven't really showed that. For that Im sorry. I'll post different things and word then differently. Thanks!


I think Jack Bruce is the Hendrix of bass, maybe just because of his live presence, being a frontman, and the distortion he got
when playing live.

Bruce is the guy I idenitified with, and later Rick Danko, but these guys are overall lesser known bass-playing singers, The Band/Danko
even being mocked by a newer generation.

Though I've listened to him some, I wouldn't comment on Jaco either way because I haven't
studied him enough.
 
Some of my favorite Jaco playing is on Joni Mitchell's albums. Shadows and Light (a live album) and Hejira are two great example albums. Joni was doing some really innovative stuff musically compared to the typical "singer songwriter" of the day, and Jaco really fits those tunes beautifully.
And his stuff with Weather Report is a clinic and much of it is darn musical as well - Birdland for one. Teentown and Havona - might be too much for you, or not.
 
Jaco was revolutionary as a bass player but much of his music, especially the stuff he wrote, isn’t super accessible. You sort of have to have a certain level of understanding to realize what he was doing - which I realize sounds elitist and not what I intend. It’s just double black diamond music and maybe not enjoyable for a person who has only skied blue cruisers up to the point they hear it.

Thundercat is great, but he is (like almost all players) a derivation of a lot of guys you can hear he listens to. Not in the same universe as Jaco with respect to moving the needle in his craft. Super cool player though for sure.
I had an old friend who used to say he just loved “difficult listening” music! As opposed to easy listening. A lot of jazz is difficult listening music. There’s a lot going on, the harmonies can be really dense, the solos are not the kind of melodies you can hum, the drum beats don’t always make for easy dancing. I still love a lot of it. But I love a lot of pop and rock music too.
 
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I had an old friend who used to say he just loved “difficult listening” music! As opposed to easy listening. A lot of jazz is difficult listening music. There’s a lot going on, the harmonies can be really dense, the solos are not the kind of melodies you can hum, the drum beats don’t always make for easy dancing. I still love a lot of it. But I love a lot of pop and rock music too.
IMO, Bach organ music seems to take the cake as far as "difficult listening".

I've yet to play it for anyone that was just kind of like, yeah, I'd like it if it wasn't played on the organ.

In all fairness, the Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, along with other of his numerous organ works
are not going to sound anything like the way Bach himself played them.

Stokowski's orchestrations are somewhat an exception, but most still don't seem to understand a piece
like the Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, for all its glory. To me, there are probably no musical pieces that match its heights.
 
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I had an old friend who used to say he just loved “difficult listening” music! As opposed to easy listening. A lot of jazz is difficult listening music. There’s a lot going on, the harmonies can be really dense, the solos are not the kind of melodies you can hum, the drum beats don’t always make for easy dancing. I still love a lot of it. But I love a lot of pop and rock music too.
Exactly!