Its my experience that just about any jazz drummer can do this. I saw Jack DeJohnette at the Chicago Jazz Showcase a few years ago do one of the most musical solo's I've ever heard and the place was so quiet you could hear a pin drop.
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How big an amp do you think you need?
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Its my experience that just about any jazz drummer can do this. I saw Jack DeJohnette at the Chicago Jazz Showcase a few years ago do one of the most musical solo's I've ever heard and the place was so quiet you could hear a pin drop.
No it does not. Some people think louder=better. Soon you are fighting on stage volume vs PA volume & soon its a big mess. Proper volume & mixing it can sound just as awesome if not better. You still have to fit the volume to the size of venue.
Yes, any drummer worth his salt can do that, its called dynamics.
Dynamics (music), In music, dynamics refers to the softness or loudness of a sound or note.
I think most jazz drummers have the technique down where they can play with energy without having to beat the heck out of the kit. Of course there are other non jazz drummers that can do it too - see Girabaldi, Uriel Jones, Benny Benjamin, Bernard Purdie, Clyde Stubblefield, etc.
Ok, when record labels start telling their acts to tour with 2 112s and a 500 watt head, I'll give up on this argument.
For many genres out there, IMAGE far outweighs practicality and necessity.
Better to go with a little to much as its easier to turn down then wish you had a bigger amp,The size of your amp depends on your style and the venues you play.That is why I have 3 ampsand 4 cabinets to tailor the amp for the show,I said somewhere else on these pages that the 2/10 inch cabs are nice you can take it to church or practice or whatever and they are fine and if you have that makes 4/10's and you can do most shows with 4 10's and as far as going to the PA yeh that works but I have a lot of hearing loss and like a hot stage so I can hear the bass,foe all you newbies a hot stage means stage volume
FWIW, I don't think you guys actually disagree. I believe you're talking image and the other poster was referring to sonic clarity. My feeling is you are both correct.
I played in a band for about seven years with a phenomenal drummer, and all I had to bring to a gig was an Eden 2x10 and a 150watt Laney head. Stage volume was great, monitors were plenty loud and the mix on stage was as good as out front. But he moved to Colorado. Every drummer I've jammed with since was so loud that I couldn't hear myself with that rig. Dynamics apparently mean play really loud and then just play less (but just as loud) for the "lower" dynamics. Now I cart around an 8x10 and a SVT2 pro - just to get over the drums. Can't even mic his snare drum, and even without a mic, it's still too loud.
Don't particularly want to carry the bigger rig around, but finding a drummer with good dynamics has been a lost cause for me the past few years.
Makes me miss jamming with Jeff - If anyone out in Denver way is looking for a kick ass drummer, he would be one.
I chose 500 since 300 wasn't listed.
Don't particularly want to carry the bigger rig around, but finding a drummer with good dynamics has been a lost cause for me the past few years.
Makes me miss jamming with Jeff - If anyone out in Denver way is looking for a kick ass drummer, he would be one.
I chose 500 since 300 wasn't listed.
You guys aren't seriously going to tell me that these jazz drummers make their drumkits sound like Bonham or Josh Freese without slamming, are you?
Talking mostly with the smaller garage bands. But seen rock bands with small miked 50watt amps onstage or even without amps onstage. "rush" comes to mind. They just bring out the house hold appliances.
Yep, they sure can, if they really wanted too. It takes more then just slammin to sound like someone technique comes into play too. Just anybody can slam something.
I had a chance to see Dom Famularo, a jazz drummer in a clinic. He had a double pedal. His speed was so fast on those things would put a rock drummer to shame. He was going so fast on the double bass drum it sounded like a drum roll on a snare he was so good.
I feel your pain Wally. I've very fortunate that the two drummers I play with can play with complete control of their volume. And FWIW, they are not jazz drummers.
On the subject of in-ear-monitors:
I went to see Van Halen @ Madison Square Garden and there were no bass amps to be seen. Same with Rush @ the same venue.
I saw hundreds of shows during the 80s where bass players were just fine with SVTs in big arenas.
I went to see Van Halen @ Madison Square Garden and there were no bass amps to be seen. Same with Rush @ the same venue.
I saw hundreds of shows during the 80s where bass players were just fine with SVTs in big arenas.
Most big touring bands have it down to input pre-amps and effects and everything fine tuned into their ear monitors, with a line out to the PA.
Gone is the day of big "wall of sound" rigs.
Remember the pictures of Grateful Dead stage setup. Phil Leach would have 8x18", 14x15", 12x12", 35x10" then a whole bank of tweeters. Just to play "Trucking".
Gone is the day of big "wall of sound" rigs.
Remember the pictures of Grateful Dead stage setup. Phil Leach would have 8x18", 14x15", 12x12", 35x10" then a whole bank of tweeters. Just to play "Trucking".
I've heard a lot of them were fake amps, just for show, so the stage hands could move them around easier.
