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How do you deal with a moper?

I think he is an intelligent, good person and deserves a little help. He is one of those persons I use to deal with at the work place, understanding a simple task but their execution is poor because they are unsure how to start and finish. A simple yet sarcastic yell of "stop running" when you see that person waking slowly would do the trick. Doesn't work with this younger adult, he is still doing things the same. So, I brought up his faults being very careful. A little better but the same. I really don't think there are any medical problems.

What would you say. Does he need some time to figure it all out?
Is sarcasm lost on the young. :D
 
Chunk-O-Funk said:
I think he is an intelligent, good person and deserves a little help. He is one of those persons I use to deal with at the work place, understanding a simple task but their execution is poor because they are unsure how to start and finish. A simple yet sarcastic yell of "stop running" when you see that person waking slowly would do the trick. Doesn't work with this younger adult, he is still doing things the same. So, I brought up his faults being very careful. A little better but the same. I really don't think there are any medical problems.

What would you say. Does he need some time to figure it all out?
Is sarcasm lost on the young. :D

I would love to help you but I have never been into the Dodge/Chrysler stuff.
 
Talk to his supervisor and share the fact that you are concerned for him, and are seeking a positive outcome for him. This is the kind of thing that a supervisor should be counseling the employee about - and it's not your responsibility to change his behavior. If he's a close friend, you might try again - but I think at this point you need to step back.

If the supervisor doesn't agree with your assessment, then that's the end of that.
 
I think he is an intelligent, good person and deserves a little help. He is one of those persons I use to deal with at the work place, understanding a simple task but their execution is poor because they are unsure how to start and finish. A simple yet sarcastic yell of "stop running" when you see that person waking slowly would do the trick. Doesn't work with this younger adult, he is still doing things the same. So, I brought up his faults being very careful. A little better but the same. I really don't think there are any medical problems.

What would you say. Does he need some time to figure it all out?
Is sarcasm lost on the young. :D

If this person has no ability to stay on a task, especially if they aren't very interested in it, they lack the ability to understand non-verbal communication, take comments and actions far too personally, they're socially awkward in most situations and show several obsessive/compulsive traits, have them evaluated by a professional. This all can be apparent if this person goes off to do something and when you find them after they didn't come back, you find them and they seem to be in their own little world. Also, some people are extremely good at certain tasks, but lost when they try others. The ones they don't care about, they may stop doing after only a few minutes but when they find something they really like, they could spend what seems like forever before they finished or got tired of it.

If I described this person well, they're not necessarily moping- they may have a borderline Autistic/Asperger's disorder. I listed some of the things I do and, while I haven't been professionally diagnosed, these traits have really held me back in life.
 
Talk to his supervisor and share the fact that you are concerned for him, and are seeking a positive outcome for him. This is the kind of thing that a supervisor should be counseling the employee about - and it's not your responsibility to change his behavior. If he's a close friend, you might try again - but I think at this point you need to step back.

If the supervisor doesn't agree with your assessment, then that's the end of that.

Thanks, and good advise.


It's really not my responsibility. The problem is there is no counseling for him and no other examples of employees. Reporting him to his boss with my concerns might get him fired, or so I fear. I do consider him a friend.
 
If it gets him fired, he will learn from it. Life doesn't end with one job. But it shouldn't - not for a first time. If his supervisor is worth anything, he will at get either a warning or a counseling session, and that will make him aware that his attitude and behavior matter...there are entirely too many people who don't think about this.
 
Pilgrim said:
If it gets him fired, he will learn from it. Life doesn't end with one job. But it shouldn't - not for a first time. If his supervisor is worth anything, he will at get either a warning or a counseling session, and that will make him aware that his attitude and behavior matter...there are entirely too many people who don't think about this.

+1

When you are a young guy getting fired isn't a tragedy. It is a learning experience.
 
I think he is an intelligent, good person and deserves a little help. He is one of those persons I use to deal with at the work place, understanding a simple task but their execution is poor because they are unsure how to start and finish. A simple yet sarcastic yell of "stop running" when you see that person waking slowly would do the trick. Doesn't work with this younger adult, he is still doing things the same. So, I brought up his faults being very careful. A little better but the same. I really don't think there are any medical problems.

What would you say. Does he need some time to figure it all out?
Is sarcasm lost on the young. :D
Positive encouragement. Study after study has shown that pointing out people's faults does not motivate them for very long or in a good direction...if at all.
The old "abusive father/coach" act doesn't produce good people on the other side. People begin to pick it up and do better when they feel better about themselves.

Think about this: Why would this person want to do anything to make you happy when you only find fault and point it out to him?

Now when he does to something right (not perfect; just better than before), you point out that you saw him do it better (or right). That will begin to build up and soon you will see a much more positive, motivated person.

I just did a rotation at the juvenile mental hospital last week. Most of those kids had problems with authority, depression, obstinent defiance, and other things...among them was also PTSD. What did much of it stem from ? Abusive parents. Verbal abuse is abuse just as much as physical or sexual abuse. It doesn't have to seem abusive to YOU...it only has to seem abusive to HIM because he's the one being hurt by it. So, you know what the therapy was that we use on these kids? Positive reinforcement. When they behave properly, complete their assigned tasks, control their tempers, etc. It is pointed out and they are congratulated. It works.

Giving someone self-esteem is akin to the old saying "teach a man to fish". Barking at someone to move faster is more like "give a man a fish" in that moment.

I'd bet if you started finding positive things about him and telling him those positive things that you notice, you'll start to see a different, more motivated, happier person. Just be prepared for the side effects. He'll start respecting you more and before you know it, you'll be like a god in his eyes. Then he'll start looking for way to please you.

It says in the Bible that judgement does not bring repentance but mercy does. I think that's a pretty accurate little proverb to follow since it seems to hold true in real life. I think the idea is sound.

Of course, this is all assuming you're his supervisor (I didn't read the entire thread).
If you're not his supervisor, then you should probably just mind your own business and don't let yourself get on a high horse about it.
 
Circumstantial I guess.

Just to clarify my relationship, I'm not his supervisor. It's more of a customer relationship. To be more specific he is my CNA (certified nurses assistant) and I am on the disable list. He wants to be an Occupational Therapist. I think I have become more of a mentor to him as we have a good relationship and good conversations. Never have I been verbally abusive toward him and thank him often. Even my comment of "stop running" was obviously said in jest. When I got the typical response I explained it's okay I'm being sarcastic.

As an example, will use my "picking out his faults." As a perspective OT he will be judged by future employment on how he carries himself. The fact that confidence will get customers is part of being successful at whatever you do. I didn't talk down to him or be condescending at all.

I do agree with the idea of leaving the issue alone. No high horse, just common sense. I will be more supportive on his good attributes.
 
It's hard to tell too what kind of baggage people bring to work. Maybe he has issues there that are affecting him.

But really, what is the big deal with how fast he walks from assignment to assignment?

-Mike
 
It's hard to tell too what kind of baggage people bring to work. Maybe he has issues there that are affecting him.

But really, what is the big deal with how fast he walks from assignment to assignment?

-Mike
It's not about how fast he walks it's about how he approaches things. I'm sure in his slow pace he is putting things together. Maybe it's his history. Maybe it should be left to the professionals.