How long have you been a vegan? I've never been one myself, but I have friends and relatives who have been or currently are and they readily admit that it's difficult. If you haven't been doing it as long as the former vegans in this thread, you're not in a great position to criticize them--you're only 25, who knows if you'll keep it up longer than they did?
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Oh, I don't know about that Greg. When I was 25, I knew everything there was to know.
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i was a veggie for like 8 months i got really sick
needless to say i reallly like chicken and bbq pork sandwichs mmmmm
needless to say i reallly like chicken and bbq pork sandwichs mmmmm
I'm not even sure how my last post could be taken as elitist, or militant. I was just pointing out that there is a lot of suffering and death associated with the dairy and egg industries. If that offends you, then stop supporting it. But, now I'm not even going to try to be nice.
Stating facts is not arrogance. Causing unneccessary suffering to animals is illegal where I live because the people as a whole have decided it is wrong. It is fact that using animals causes suffering to those animals. It is also fact that it is not necessary to use animals.
Arrogance is continuing to support the unnecessary suffering and death of 56 Billion land animals and untold billions of aquatic animals each year involved with animal products to feed ~6.5 billion people because "it tastes good." Arrogance is continuing to rape our oceans and rain forests to support the animal agriculture industry because it's easier than standing up against it. Arrogance is thinking "vegetarian is good enough" because you like cheese too much.
I have no problems "keeping up" a vegan lifestyle. I shop at a regular grocery store and everything I eat is available in every grocery store I've ever been to. It's not expensive, and it's not something that any random person should have any trouble with at all. I am not exceptional in any way. I drink too much sometimes, I smoked cigarettes for ~15 years and probably will again at some point. If it was so difficult to be vegan I wouldn't be able to do it.
Also, I am only pissed off at people that go around talking about how they used to be vegan but it was "too hard, didn't work, or wasn't for them." If they said they didn't care about what happens to non-human animals enough to keep at it I wouldn't be bothered as much. But, that they made a half-assed attempt and said "it doesn't work" is a direct attack on me as a vegan. Those are the people that make vegans look like elitists.
And, the fact that these types of threads always go this way is a good thing in my view. It means people are offended by what I have to say. And, since it's all true I feel better about the future of the world.
Someone always brings this up. I am well aware that just being alive causes suffering. I draw the line at neccessary or unneccesary suffering and death. If something definitely has to suffer/die for me to live then that's how it has to be. But, if there is another way, I will go that route even if it is more difficult. My entire reasoning was explained in the second umm..paragraph? of my last post.
And this is what tends to give vegans a bad name.
Where have I said anything to give vegans a bad name? I am just pointing out facts. It is not difficult to be vegan. Not even sometimes. I've never been in a situation that made it hard to be vegan. Every grocery store sells fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, and legumes.
Any good restaurant can make something that doesn't contain animal products. There is very good vegan ice cream that doesn't even contain soy. Vegan cheese, vegan margarine, vegan egg substitutes, vegan bologna, vegan bacon, sausage, peperoni, meatloaf, vegan mayonaise and even vegan haggis. And, the vegan haggis is just a disgusting as the real thing.
What the hell do you think a vegan is? It's pretty logical that vegans don't want other people using animals either, 'cause if it was okay for everyone else, it would be okay for them. Vegans get a bad name from non-vegans not wanting to accept what they are doing. It's so much easier to just say, "look at that nut job."
You know who else has teeth like that? Monkeys. Those teeth are completely different from carnivorous animals teeth. Human canine teeth are best used for eating fruit. It's the teeth in the middle of the mouth that can chew flesh. Seriously, if you want to use anatomy as your argument at least pick the right part. Seriously, it's like you are talking out of your ass or something.
Your reasoning that a new vegan would have an easier time at staying vegan than a long term vegan is very flawed. It starts out easy then gets easier as time goes by. I became vegan in 10th or 11th grade. The beginning was the hardest part because everyone I knew still ate animal products and I had grown up eating them, so a lot of things I liked involved animal products. But, it still wasn't difficult.
The longer I've not eaten those type of things the less I thought about animal products as food. Now the smell of someone cooking flesh makes me sick. Dairy and eggs just stink. Seriously, I can smell dairy on people and it's gross. Especially cheese.
I did eat some dairy a few times in college when I was broke and hungry and someone gave me pizza. It didn't work out so well though, because I've become lactose intolerant from not eating dairy products for so long. And, I wouldn't accept it now, but at the time I was more a vegetarian experimenting with being vegan. Also, I was a borderline alcoholic during all of that time.
If someone decides to start using animals after having been vegan it is without a doubt because they have decided that their pleasure comes before another's pain. What is it that they are finding difficult? There are plenty of cruelty free things to use/eat so you don't have to get something that involves torture. People that say it was too hard to be vegan are trying to justify their eating animal products.
Current vegans that talk about how hard it is are trying to get some sort of applause. They think "look at the sacrifice I've made. Aren't I awesome." But, it's not hard to be vegan.
I have seen a study where they took vegans and non vegans and hooked them up to machines to monitor their brain waves. When shown hamburgers and bacon the vegans had activity in the parts of their brain that dealt with pain and disgust. The non-vegans had activity in the parts of the brain associated with pleasure. Long term vegans do not think of animal products as food.
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How do you live without booze?
I actually quit smoking maybe 7 or 8 months ago and haven't had a drink in about a month. And, I don't think I will ever drink again. It's not fun for me at all.Also, these threads always go perfectly. I'm 100% sure someone will watch earthlings because of this. I mean come on, it's got Joaquin Phoenix narrating and everything. People getting angry is a good thing. They know I'm right. Otherwise they wouldn't be so offended by what I have to say. And, I'll gladly have lots of people hate me if at least one person decides to do some actual research instead of just saying something about bacon and cavemen or whatever these folks are talking about.
Anyway, I don't consider being vegan a lifestyle choice because it affects other people/animals so it's not up to me to decide. Even straight edge isn't so much a choice. It's sort of a lopsided one at best. It's obviously better to live clean than the way the average person lives.
MMMMMM Bacon..... *Gargle*
That is all.
I've actually tried vegan and vegetarian diets, just not for me. I am trying to limit my meat intake to one portion a day, but as most "new"diet fads go, my newest will fade with time to the 40-40-20, and 2100 calories of whatever I want at the time.
I have nothing against using animals for food. Animals kill other animals to survive all of the time. Its how all ecosystems on the planet work. Sun>Producer>Primary Consumer>Secondary Consumer. Second law of thermodynamics.
That is all.
I've actually tried vegan and vegetarian diets, just not for me. I am trying to limit my meat intake to one portion a day, but as most "new"diet fads go, my newest will fade with time to the 40-40-20, and 2100 calories of whatever I want at the time.
I have nothing against using animals for food. Animals kill other animals to survive all of the time. Its how all ecosystems on the planet work. Sun>Producer>Primary Consumer>Secondary Consumer. Second law of thermodynamics.
Is it just me, or is this vegan thing mostly American? I certainly hope it doesn't get any more popular around here, the one vegan I know already has more "my lifestyle is superior to yours" attitude than I can handle.
Yeah, well this thread went down smoothly....
This is not a vegan vs. omnivores battle thread.
Closed.
This is not a vegan vs. omnivores battle thread.
Closed.
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