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How many watts does your guitarist need

#62
You're playing worship?

Fire your guitarists and get a keys player.

I kid, I kid. (I know he's your dad, you can't fire him, unfortunately.)

If they insist on loud amps, that's fine. Insist on isolation cabinets and mic them from the next room over. If they aren't cool with this because they want to hear their sound in the room, I would suggest stuffing the guitar player in the iso cab with their amplifier; they will hear their amp tone, everybody else will hear a workable volume, FOH will be pleased... everybody wins in this scenario.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
 
#64
Cory rich40 said:
Trust me when I say, I’ve got my end covered if they do decide to turn the volume up
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Escalating is rarely a way to solve this kind of issues. They have to 'get' what volume is adequate, if they don't and just want to play loud because 'rawk' and don't care how the band sounds as a hole, you are in for a struggle...

I've quit a couple of bands for things like that. I only regret not having quit earlier.
 
#65
Cory rich40 said:
I know, it’s a bass forum. For years, our gospel group has consisted of a lead guitar player, a rhythm guitar player that is the main singer, the bass player who is me, and various other singers throughout the years and an occasional drummer. The guitar player got a fender tone master deluxe reverb amp around Christmas of last year. He also has an ultimate chorus amp and a Princeton reverb amp. He favors the deluxe reverb though. Recently he has been wanting our lead singer to go electric and let him use the ultimate chorus amp and use one of his telecasters. The lead singer has used acoustic all these years. The guitarist is wanting to really turn his volume up as close to its full potential as much as he can get away with and thinks with the lead singer going electric it can really transform our sound. I’m not worried about my sound and being drowned out or anything, but I’ve done my research. My concern is that the ultimate chorus will drown out the deluxe reverb, and the singer is a far weaker guitar player. Sometimes I wonder if the guitarist should have gotten the tonemaster twin reverb amp. He doesn’t take his Princeton out, and I think the reason is because it is a collector’s item. It is a limited edition amp. Any advice for our group as far as this goes?
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Doing something like that with an established band can be a one way ticket out.
When a venue books you (bar gig, 100 people) again, they have a certain expectation. Lo and behold, suddenly your guitar player plays a cranked Fender amp and he will sear off the ears of everyone in line of sight of that amp. Your other guitarist also brought something bigger, also way louder. The bassist has enough oomph to keep up and the drummer has to hit a bit harder, plus the hihats and bass drum have to be mic'ed now.

People who expected to be able to have a conversation with a slightly raised voice are sitting in the back corner, shouting themselves hoarse.
 
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Cory rich40 said:
I know, it’s a bass forum. For years, our gospel group has consisted of a lead guitar player, a rhythm guitar player that is the main singer, the bass player who is me, and various other singers throughout the years and an occasional drummer. The guitar player got a fender tone master deluxe reverb amp around Christmas of last year. He also has an ultimate chorus amp and a Princeton reverb amp. He favors the deluxe reverb though. Recently he has been wanting our lead singer to go electric and let him use the ultimate chorus amp and use one of his telecasters. The lead singer has used acoustic all these years. The guitarist is wanting to really turn his volume up as close to its full potential as much as he can get away with and thinks with the lead singer going electric it can really transform our sound. I’m not worried about my sound and being drowned out or anything, but I’ve done my research. My concern is that the ultimate chorus will drown out the deluxe reverb, and the singer is a far weaker guitar player. Sometimes I wonder if the guitarist should have gotten the tonemaster twin reverb amp. He doesn’t take his Princeton out, and I think the reason is because it is a collector’s item. It is a limited edition amp. Any advice for our group as far as this goes?
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Full disclosure. I am personal friends with the owner of this company. I have exactly zero business interests whatsoever in said company.

These things are all over Nashville. They are on several tours, including Tom Bukovak touring with Ann Wilson. They are starting to gain some traction among club players and churches as well.

Essentially, it looks like an amp, and acts as a baffle. It vacuums up sound from the amp it is placed in front of. This allows the guitar player to crank up to get "his tone" or "her sound". But it also keeps stage volumes in check.

My friend who came up with the idea is a guitarist AND a sound guy around Nashville. (Baffles aren't a new idea. Making one that looks like an amp is.) Both sound guys and guitarists love them.

Speight Baffle Co.
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In this video, you can see both guitarists on tour with Ann Wilson have three of these baffles in front of their rigs. Some of the baffles are tweed. A couple of the black and silver ones are turned backward showing the black backing. (Their rigs include multiple loud amps and are way more complicated than your gospel guys are talking about.)
(214) Homeskoolin’ Bonus “Yet Another Sound Check Clip Of Us Playing Magic Man” - YouTube

It's a possible solution for your situation. That's the only reason I bring it up.
 
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two fingers said:
Full disclosure. I am personal friends with the owner of this company. I have exactly zero business interests whatsoever in said company.

These things are all over Nashville. They are on several tours, including Tom Bukovak touring with Ann Wilson. They are starting to gain some traction among club players and churches as well.

Essentially, it looks like an amp, and acts as a baffle. It vacuums up sound from the amp it is placed in front of. This allows the guitar player to crank up to get "his tone" or "her sound". But it also keeps stage volumes in check.

My friend who came up with the idea is a guitarist AND a sound guy around Nashville. (Baffles aren't a new idea. Making one that looks like an amp is.) Both sound guys and guitarists love them.

Speight Baffle Co.
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In this video, you can see both guitarists on tour with Ann Wilson have three of these baffles in front of their rigs. Some of the baffles are tweed. A couple of the black and silver ones are turned backward showing the black backing. (Their rigs include multiple loud amps and are way more complicated than your gospel guys are talking about.)
(214) Homeskoolin’ Bonus “Yet Another Sound Check Clip Of Us Playing Magic Man” - YouTube

It's a possible solution for your situation. That's the only reason I bring it up.
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This is the quintessential "Now why didn't I think of that" contraption. Very clever.
 
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#77
Folks need to understand the interactions and difference between Gain and Master Volume and if it is more desirable to drive the preamp tubes or the power amp tubes. Strongly suggest getting a Power Brake so that the desired tone can be achieved without damaging everyone’s hearing.
 
#78
burgerdj said:
Folks need to understand the interactions and difference between Gain and Master Volume and if it is more desirable to drive the preamp tubes or the power amp tubes. Strongly suggest getting a Power Brake so that the desired tone can be achieved without damaging everyone’s hearing.
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True, however, the amps in the OP are both solid state.
 
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#79
Fire the drummer! Oh wait you only have an occasional drummer. BTW when you have a drummer what does he play? Electric or acoustic drums? If electric then any amp with 20-30 watts tube with suffice. Use your volume knobs.
 

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