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How the hell are these bands playing live at home?

Consumer-level ISDN is low latency but also very low bandwidth by current standards -- 128 Kbit/second -- so it would be hard to use for real-time multitrack audio unless you had absolutely nothing else using the line other than your audio signal. Multiple ISDN lines are used in parallel over T-series lines for high-bandwidth commercial traffic. A T1 line is 1.5 Mbit/second, a T3 is almost 40 times faster, and the hardware prices and service fees scale accordingly.

Probably better to hope for fiber to come to your town.

I personally never saw multitracking over a single ISDN (Dual-B+D)... it was always a T1-3 type line divided up into multiple B channels, then a DBX type companding system wired after the digital to analog stage to bring the track into the tape machine as analog. The companding system we used had a way to stretch the top end available by transposing some of the frequencies down and then opening it back up on the other side. Undecided it sounded really strange and honky.
Former systems designer for ISDN networks for NYNEX, Verizon’s precursor in the Nottheast United States, here.

ISDN Basic Rate (2B+D) was a low-rate service deliverable over unconditioned twisted-pair circuits from a Telco Central Office. ISDN Primary Rate (23B+D) was a 1.544 Mbps service deliverable over specially condititioned circuits, similar to the non-channelized T1 circuits of the day. That was 1970s technology, implemented primarily to financial services companies during the 1980s. ISDN is a 40 year old technology.

Gigabit Ethernet (along with 10 Gigabit Ethernet and 100 Gigabit Ethernet) took off as switching technology evolved in the 1990s. As switches became cheap, bandwidth (how many Mbits or Gbits per second to a switch port) became very cheap versus the costs for older technology. Most carriers have phased out ISDN and T1/T3 offerings - they can’t compete economically.

When you purchase “High Speed Internet” from a carrier today, they are leveraging inexpensive Ethernet technologies to provide levels of household bandwidth that were never before affordable. But design caveats still remain: “You want fast, cheap, and guaranteed low latency? Pick two.” And guaranteed low latency, over long distances, is the most expensive choice. You can’t exceed 6/10 the speed of light in a vacuum - which is the speed of light in single mode fiber optic cable. It’s the Laws of Physics that apply.

I’ve talked too long here. But please understand that the Internet, as we are now accustomed to it, is a Scientific Miracle. But latency is the cost of that miracle.
 
I’ve talked too long here. But please understand that the Internet, as we are now accustomed to it, is a Scientific Miracle. But latency is the cost of that miracle.

I'll take whatever scientific miracle I can get if it means I never have to touch switched56 and those blasted Motorola/UDS modems again.
 
My band and I have been trying for weeks unsuccessfully with multiple platforms, Jamkazam being one. Tech isn’t there yet to do this live. All the programs record you then play back to your friends with varying level of delay and crappy sound. Another I tried sounded great but 20-40 seconds before anyone hears it. Sucks big time.
 
Yeah. It is not possible live and in real time. Not without a time machine. You record a click track with some sorts of backing. Every musician plays to this and records him- or her self and sends the audio tracks to the one, who is mixing and mastering. While recording your part, you film yourself or someone else is doing it (or you pretend to play while listening to your own recorded track). You use an audio interface if you use an iPhone or you go with an analog feed into the camera, you use to film yourself, with the entire audio-track. It's good if it starts with 1-2-3-4 to make it easier to sync the audio to the video later. Someone is getting all the videoclips and the final master and syncs it.
This is how we have done it. Free software like DaVinci (it is fantastic) can even automaticly sync. It detects the similarities between the audio-track of the videos with the master-audio.
 
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I have tried Jamkazam and I still can't get it to recognize my webcam, and the initial audio setup was a bit difficult too. I think their interface/GUI is the most advanced in terms of features and setup but the last few times I tried it I couldn't hear my audio at all and I didn't have the time to troubleshoot. I may give it another go and report back if it's successful.
It's vitally important to understand that the best audio results will happen when you DO NOT use your webcam. Webcams use a huge amount of bandwidth and signal processing power, especially compared to an audio signal, so always start your sessions with AUDIO ONLY.

Once you get your audio all dialed in and everybody is happy, then you can start experimenting with adding video, one person at a time, and remember, you can adjust the quality of the video feed through the JamKazam Control Panel, so start by selecting a lower resolution, and if that's working ok, then you can begin raising the video resolution settings.

BE PATIENT when you first get on JamKazam, and realize that with a just a bit of tweaking here and there, most folks are able to get their latency low enough to have a good time.
 
It's vitally important to understand that the best audio results will happen when you DO NOT use your webcam. Webcams use a huge amount of bandwidth and signal processing power, especially compared to an audio signal, so always start your sessions with AUDIO ONLY.

Once you get your audio all dialed in and everybody is happy, then you can start experimenting with adding video, one person at a time, and remember, you can adjust the quality of the video feed through the JamKazam Control Panel, so start by selecting a lower resolution, and if that's working ok, then you can begin raising the video resolution settings.

BE PATIENT when you first get on JamKazam, and realize that with a just a bit of tweaking here and there, most folks are able to get their latency low enough to have a good time.

Thanks for the info. I finally got my audio settings figured out so I'm at least hearing the audio. I don't plan on using the webcam feature anyway unless I can get my band mates configured to do an online practice. I don't think any of them have audio interfaces at the moment so I don't know how that's going to happen...
 
So glad that there are so many smart people out there! I am still playing with JamKazam. I can record and play back myself, but my bandmates are not up and running yet.
WIRED is important - they tell us a few times that wi-fi doesn't work well if at all.
Also - it is important to start a private session if you don't want strangers dropping in.
Thanks for the input - I'll keep checking.
 
Thanks for the info. I finally got my audio settings figured out so I'm at least hearing the audio. I don't plan on using the webcam feature anyway unless I can get my band mates configured to do an online practice. I don't think any of them have audio interfaces at the moment so I don't know how that's going to happen...
You don't exactly need an audio interface. Most computers have some type of line-in or mic-in input. When I first started, I simply plugged my bass directly into the mic input on my computer using a cable that had a 1/4" male plug on one end and a 1/8" male plug on the other. That got me going, and while I couldn't talk to the other people, JamKazam has a feature on the right side of the session screen where you can type in your communication with other players in that session.

After a week of doing that, I finally graduated to using a small mixer that I had, plugging my bass and a microphone into the mixer, then plugging the mixer in the RCA line-in inputs on my computer, and that actually worked great, with very little latency. It's amazing what you can do when you put your mind to it, especially when you've got time on your hands : )
 
Since we seem to have a fairly knowledgeable group of folks in here, let me ask you this question:

How do TV studios bring in guests with NO PERCEPTIBLE DELAY??? Of course, not now, when everyone is using their phone and looking pixelated! But in normal times... Are all TV studios interconnected via hardwire? Are they using a network mere humans have no access to?

Please

a 100-200ms delay on TV, for a conversation, would not be noticeable. Actually, you often see a larger delay than that, when the interviewer asks a question and it takes a while for the other person to respond, and they look like they're listening while for us it's just silence.
 
You’re very welcome!

One of my best friends describes me as, “You ask Ronzo what time it is, and he tells you how the watch works.”

:D

That's pretty much how it works with my dad. There's no quick questions with him. Well, there are quick questions, there's just no quick answers. As a teenager it would frustrate me at times, but I've actually ended up learning a lot from him.

The world needs more people like you! :)